Sanwa/Airtronics M12S
#77
Tech Regular
iTrader: (30)
Curious how everyone is mounting their receiver in their 1/8 buggies/truggies. I've always used double sided tape only but I've seen some pics with people wrapping their receiver with foam and placing it in the box(at least that's what it looks like). Thanks for the input.
#78
Tech Initiate
I just put double sided stick tape on the bottom of mine and put it in the receiver box.
#79
Tech Adept
Hi, does anybody know how the M12S compare to MT-4S in terms response times? their technology description seem to be the same. I'm currently on MT-4 and itching to upgrade.
Please educate me about other M12S vs MT-4S comparisons, thanks.
Please educate me about other M12S vs MT-4S comparisons, thanks.
#80
The M12S is given for 0.88ms latency and the MT4-S is about 2.9ms. (source: lrp)
I'm quite not sure for the latency of the M12S because on the product description page, it is said to be 30% faster than the M12, but the M12 is 2.23ms latency (which is right according to the MT4-S product description where it is said the MT4-S is almost as fast as the M12); so the M12S latency should be more about 1.5ms normally...
I've recently got the MT4-S for wheight reason and because it has all the features of the M12/M12S for half the price
Regards,
G-rem
I'm quite not sure for the latency of the M12S because on the product description page, it is said to be 30% faster than the M12, but the M12 is 2.23ms latency (which is right according to the MT4-S product description where it is said the MT4-S is almost as fast as the M12); so the M12S latency should be more about 1.5ms normally...
I've recently got the MT4-S for wheight reason and because it has all the features of the M12/M12S for half the price
Regards,
G-rem
#81
Does the MT4-s have race mode programming? Google mt12-s race mode - love that feature. Also, I love the DMS feature when switching between models. I'm not sure what the mt4 has, but I love the mT12s so much more than my MT4. The operating system is nicer, the ergonomics are much better, and the quality of the wheel and trigger feels better. With that said there is nothing wrong with the mT4(s). I could have used it until it broke or became obsolete. The M12s just has a bunch of small things that add to a better experience IMO. IMO I'd rather have the MT12S than another new kit.
#82
Tech Adept
Hey thanks for the reply, somehow i missed those info surfing through the web. I ended up with the m12s. The only thing i don't like is the weight and bulkyness. But I just love the ergo, I'm using the drop down and tilted wheel. can't live with out them now.. thanks again... they should make one with the MT4 form factor and simpleness but with the speed and ergo stuff.
The M12S is given for 0.88ms latency and the MT4-S is about 2.9ms. (source: lrp)
I'm quite not sure for the latency of the M12S because on the product description page, it is said to be 30% faster than the M12, but the M12 is 2.23ms latency (which is right according to the MT4-S product description where it is said the MT4-S is almost as fast as the M12); so the M12S latency should be more about 1.5ms normally...
I've recently got the MT4-S for wheight reason and because it has all the features of the M12/M12S for half the price
Regards,
G-rem
I'm quite not sure for the latency of the M12S because on the product description page, it is said to be 30% faster than the M12, but the M12 is 2.23ms latency (which is right according to the MT4-S product description where it is said the MT4-S is almost as fast as the M12); so the M12S latency should be more about 1.5ms normally...
I've recently got the MT4-S for wheight reason and because it has all the features of the M12/M12S for half the price
Regards,
G-rem
#83
Tech Elite
iTrader: (89)
Hey thanks for the reply, somehow i missed those info surfing through the web. I ended up with the m12s. The only thing i don't like is the weight and bulkyness. But I just love the ergo, I'm using the drop down and tilted wheel. can't live with out them now.. thanks again... they should make one with the MT4 form factor and simpleness but with the speed and ergo stuff.
#84
I may have this a little wrong, but some servos are faster than the paired combo of a Sanwa servo with the M12S.
I asked the question if I could run my Proteck 160SS low profile servo in the SSR mode. The answer I got was the Sanwa servos have a specific frame rate number (I think that was the spec referenced) and some other brands actually have higher numbers. When I looked into it my protek 160SS was faster, so running it in SHR mode was faster and safer with my M12S than running my Protect 160SS/M12S in SSR.
Personally, I think the whole SSR mode thing is a way to sell more Sanwa products. Just buy a fast servo and you'll more than likely have to turn speeds down.
This is 1 cent info. please correct if wrong.
And don't forget to play with the ergo of the trigger. I have my trigger angled towards my steering hand and my wheel angled towards my trigger hand. It feels so natural to be able to have both wrists inline with my forearms than angled out a bit like a standard Tx would place you.
#86
Tech Elite
iTrader: (89)
I may have this a little wrong, but some servos are faster than the paired combo of a Sanwa servo with the M12S.
I asked the question if I could run my Proteck 160SS low profile servo in the SSR mode. The answer I got was the Sanwa servos have a specific frame rate number (I think that was the spec referenced) and some other brands actually have higher numbers. When I looked into it my protek 160SS was faster, so running it in SHR mode was faster and safer with my M12S than running my Protect 160SS/M12S in SSR.
Personally, I think the whole SSR mode thing is a way to sell more Sanwa products. Just buy a fast servo and you'll more than likely have to turn speeds down.
This is 1 cent info. please correct if wrong.
And don't forget to play with the ergo of the trigger. I have my trigger angled towards my steering hand and my wheel angled towards my trigger hand. It feels so natural to be able to have both wrists inline with my forearms than angled out a bit like a standard Tx would place you.
I asked the question if I could run my Proteck 160SS low profile servo in the SSR mode. The answer I got was the Sanwa servos have a specific frame rate number (I think that was the spec referenced) and some other brands actually have higher numbers. When I looked into it my protek 160SS was faster, so running it in SHR mode was faster and safer with my M12S than running my Protect 160SS/M12S in SSR.
Personally, I think the whole SSR mode thing is a way to sell more Sanwa products. Just buy a fast servo and you'll more than likely have to turn speeds down.
This is 1 cent info. please correct if wrong.
And don't forget to play with the ergo of the trigger. I have my trigger angled towards my steering hand and my wheel angled towards my trigger hand. It feels so natural to be able to have both wrists inline with my forearms than angled out a bit like a standard Tx would place you.
#87
I wouldn't worry about radio speeds. The benefits are in all the other areas.
#88
I just upgraded to an M12S from an MT-4S and I can tell a difference in response. I felt way more connected to the car and a lot more consistent with this radio. Running a RX-481 with it.
I used the drop down in the forward position with the R tilt forward and the maxline offset wheel. LOVE IT !
I used the drop down in the forward position with the R tilt forward and the maxline offset wheel. LOVE IT !
#89
Tech Adept
Anybody else having trouble getting their PC recognize their M12S? I'm trying to update to the latest firmware and you have to load the drivers for the M12s manually by going in the device manager but nothing new shows up when I plug in my M12S to the PC.
#90
Does anyone know where i can get the larger steering wheel and foam separately?