NEW HOBBYWING STOCK SUPERCHARGED SOFTWARE
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Be careful not to destroy your motor, when trying timing rpm with no load on your car, or bench testing, seen a few motors go bang testing like this.
Brakes on the bench are sharp at the first pull, the tell-tale delay before the full-brake light illuminates is virtually indistinguishable.
Racing tomorrow so will get a chance to test properly.
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I don't want to get ahead of myself... but the new software appears to have addressed the problem. Still called v3_508, but it's from the 121204 database.
Brakes on the bench are sharp at the first pull, the tell-tale delay before the full-brake light illuminates is virtually indistinguishable.
Racing tomorrow so will get a chance to test properly.
Brakes on the bench are sharp at the first pull, the tell-tale delay before the full-brake light illuminates is virtually indistinguishable.
Racing tomorrow so will get a chance to test properly.
Looking forward to seeing your results on the track.
Cheers
Rob.
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how much difference in on track performance is there between the v2.1 and the v3? mod and stock opinions welcome.
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There's not much difference between the V3 and V3.1 2S ESC, so I'm glad I grabbed mine when RC Mart were selling them for $135 each
Test complete.
Test done on a 13.5...
ESC @ zero boost & zero turbo
Endbell timing:
0 - 20,800 rpm
10 - 22,140rpm
20 - 25,620 rpm
25 - 29,520 rpm (maxed)
Endbell @ zero timing
ESC Boost:
10 - 21,540 rpm
15 - 21,840 rpm
20 - 22,320 rpm
25 - 23,220 rpm
30 - 28,140 rpm
35 - 36,240 rpm
Setting boost to zero and timing on turbo gave similar readings
Found that to match rpm with endbell timing @ 25 degrees, ESC boost had to be set at 31 degrees. This means:
25/31 = 0.806 = For every 1 point of ESC boost, timing is increased by 0.806 degrees. lewis110 was right.
However as per Hobbywings manual, max timing will not exceed 60/64 points (firmware dependant) even if boost & turbo is maxed. This means max timing added will only be around 50 degrees total.
Test done on a 13.5...
ESC @ zero boost & zero turbo
Endbell timing:
0 - 20,800 rpm
10 - 22,140rpm
20 - 25,620 rpm
25 - 29,520 rpm (maxed)
Endbell @ zero timing
ESC Boost:
10 - 21,540 rpm
15 - 21,840 rpm
20 - 22,320 rpm
25 - 23,220 rpm
30 - 28,140 rpm
35 - 36,240 rpm
Setting boost to zero and timing on turbo gave similar readings
Found that to match rpm with endbell timing @ 25 degrees, ESC boost had to be set at 31 degrees. This means:
25/31 = 0.806 = For every 1 point of ESC boost, timing is increased by 0.806 degrees. lewis110 was right.
However as per Hobbywings manual, max timing will not exceed 60/64 points (firmware dependant) even if boost & turbo is maxed. This means max timing added will only be around 50 degrees total.
Last edited by cyanyde; 01-20-2013 at 12:12 AM.
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Test complete.
Test done on a 13.5...
ESC @ zero boost & zero turbo
Endbell timing:
0 - 20,800 rpm
10 - 22,140rpm
20 - 25,620 rpm
25 - 29,520 rpm (maxed)
Endbell @ zero timing
ESC Boost:
10 - 21,540 rpm
15 - 21,840 rpm
20 - 22,320 rpm
25 - 23,220 rpm
30 - 28,140 rpm
35 - 36,240 rpm
Setting boost to zero and timing on turbo gave similar readings
Found that to match rpm with endbell timing @ 25 degrees, ESC boost had to be set at 31 degrees. This means:
25/31 = 0.806 = For every 1 point of ESC boost, timing is increased by 0.806 degrees. lewis110 was right.
However as per Hobbywings manual, max timing will not exceed 60/64 points (firmware dependant) even if boost & turbo is maxed. This means max timing added will only be around 50 degrees total.
Test done on a 13.5...
ESC @ zero boost & zero turbo
Endbell timing:
0 - 20,800 rpm
10 - 22,140rpm
20 - 25,620 rpm
25 - 29,520 rpm (maxed)
Endbell @ zero timing
ESC Boost:
10 - 21,540 rpm
15 - 21,840 rpm
20 - 22,320 rpm
25 - 23,220 rpm
30 - 28,140 rpm
35 - 36,240 rpm
Setting boost to zero and timing on turbo gave similar readings
Found that to match rpm with endbell timing @ 25 degrees, ESC boost had to be set at 31 degrees. This means:
25/31 = 0.806 = For every 1 point of ESC boost, timing is increased by 0.806 degrees. lewis110 was right.
However as per Hobbywings manual, max timing will not exceed 60/64 points (firmware dependant) even if boost & turbo is maxed. This means max timing added will only be around 50 degrees total.
What other boost settings did you use?
I will state again (and this was direct from the Hobbywing factory), that the max amount of timing was 36° actual.
Interesting numbers, although on looking at them, I think there is something up with the esc ones. Have a look at the attached graph of your results, there is a very distinct kink in the ESC line... whereas the endbell is more linear. In theory, they should be both linear additions.
What other boost settings did you use?
I will state again (and this was direct from the Hobbywing factory), that the max amount of timing was 36° actual.
What other boost settings did you use?
I will state again (and this was direct from the Hobbywing factory), that the max amount of timing was 36° actual.
I don't intend to argue with whats on Hobbywings website but 36 degrees of timing does not produce so much rpms like what we experience. Find a motor which you can twist the endbell to 36 degrees and run in blinky mode, after that put it back to zero and run boosted with max boost & turbo settings and you'll know what I mean.
Test complete.
Test done on a 13.5...
ESC @ zero boost & zero turbo
Endbell timing:
0 - 20,800 rpm
10 - 22,140rpm
20 - 25,620 rpm
25 - 29,520 rpm (maxed)
Endbell @ zero timing
ESC Boost:
10 - 21,540 rpm
15 - 21,840 rpm
20 - 22,320 rpm
25 - 23,220 rpm
30 - 28,140 rpm
35 - 36,240 rpm
Setting boost to zero and timing on turbo gave similar readings
Found that to match rpm with endbell timing @ 25 degrees, ESC boost had to be set at 31 degrees. This means:
25/31 = 0.806 = For every 1 point of ESC boost, timing is increased by 0.806 degrees. lewis110 was right.
However as per Hobbywings manual, max timing will not exceed 60/64 points (firmware dependant) even if boost & turbo is maxed. This means max timing added will only be around 50 degrees total.
Test done on a 13.5...
ESC @ zero boost & zero turbo
Endbell timing:
0 - 20,800 rpm
10 - 22,140rpm
20 - 25,620 rpm
25 - 29,520 rpm (maxed)
Endbell @ zero timing
ESC Boost:
10 - 21,540 rpm
15 - 21,840 rpm
20 - 22,320 rpm
25 - 23,220 rpm
30 - 28,140 rpm
35 - 36,240 rpm
Setting boost to zero and timing on turbo gave similar readings
Found that to match rpm with endbell timing @ 25 degrees, ESC boost had to be set at 31 degrees. This means:
25/31 = 0.806 = For every 1 point of ESC boost, timing is increased by 0.806 degrees. lewis110 was right.
However as per Hobbywings manual, max timing will not exceed 60/64 points (firmware dependant) even if boost & turbo is maxed. This means max timing added will only be around 50 degrees total.
Can you tell me which motor you were using to test. And did you record the Amp of the test point?
Thanks.
Motor was Turnigy Trackstar. Did not record Amps. True zero endbell timing was at -1.8 from centre line. This was determined by running sensorless first then matching endbell timing to rpm.
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Test complete.
Test done on a 13.5...
ESC @ zero boost & zero turbo
Endbell timing:
0 - 20,800 rpm
10 - 22,140rpm
20 - 25,620 rpm
25 - 29,520 rpm (maxed)
Endbell @ zero timing
ESC Boost:
10 - 21,540 rpm
15 - 21,840 rpm
20 - 22,320 rpm
25 - 23,220 rpm
30 - 28,140 rpm
35 - 36,240 rpm
Setting boost to zero and timing on turbo gave similar readings
Found that to match rpm with endbell timing @ 25 degrees, ESC boost had to be set at 31 degrees. This means:
25/31 = 0.806 = For every 1 point of ESC boost, timing is increased by 0.806 degrees. lewis110 was right.
However as per Hobbywings manual, max timing will not exceed 60/64 points (firmware dependant) even if boost & turbo is maxed. This means max timing added will only be around 50 degrees total.
Test done on a 13.5...
ESC @ zero boost & zero turbo
Endbell timing:
0 - 20,800 rpm
10 - 22,140rpm
20 - 25,620 rpm
25 - 29,520 rpm (maxed)
Endbell @ zero timing
ESC Boost:
10 - 21,540 rpm
15 - 21,840 rpm
20 - 22,320 rpm
25 - 23,220 rpm
30 - 28,140 rpm
35 - 36,240 rpm
Setting boost to zero and timing on turbo gave similar readings
Found that to match rpm with endbell timing @ 25 degrees, ESC boost had to be set at 31 degrees. This means:
25/31 = 0.806 = For every 1 point of ESC boost, timing is increased by 0.806 degrees. lewis110 was right.
However as per Hobbywings manual, max timing will not exceed 60/64 points (firmware dependant) even if boost & turbo is maxed. This means max timing added will only be around 50 degrees total.
using the endbell to 20 (average motor current) which would be the rpm band, tested it?
The important thing (is difficult) is to what extent gains in performace, and find out what that point is to lose performance.
Nice job!
Test complete.
Test done on a 13.5...
ESC @ zero boost & zero turbo
Endbell timing:
0 - 20,800 rpm
10 - 22,140rpm
20 - 25,620 rpm
25 - 29,520 rpm (maxed)
Endbell @ zero timing
ESC Boost:
10 - 21,540 rpm
15 - 21,840 rpm
20 - 22,320 rpm
25 - 23,220 rpm
30 - 28,140 rpm
35 - 36,240 rpm
Setting boost to zero and timing on turbo gave similar readings
Found that to match rpm with endbell timing @ 25 degrees, ESC boost had to be set at 31 degrees. This means:
25/31 = 0.806 = For every 1 point of ESC boost, timing is increased by 0.806 degrees. lewis110 was right.
However as per Hobbywings manual, max timing will not exceed 60/64 points (firmware dependant) even if boost & turbo is maxed. This means max timing added will only be around 50 degrees total.
Test done on a 13.5...
ESC @ zero boost & zero turbo
Endbell timing:
0 - 20,800 rpm
10 - 22,140rpm
20 - 25,620 rpm
25 - 29,520 rpm (maxed)
Endbell @ zero timing
ESC Boost:
10 - 21,540 rpm
15 - 21,840 rpm
20 - 22,320 rpm
25 - 23,220 rpm
30 - 28,140 rpm
35 - 36,240 rpm
Setting boost to zero and timing on turbo gave similar readings
Found that to match rpm with endbell timing @ 25 degrees, ESC boost had to be set at 31 degrees. This means:
25/31 = 0.806 = For every 1 point of ESC boost, timing is increased by 0.806 degrees. lewis110 was right.
However as per Hobbywings manual, max timing will not exceed 60/64 points (firmware dependant) even if boost & turbo is maxed. This means max timing added will only be around 50 degrees total.
Along time ago, Micheal, and Angelo came on here and posted (basicly when I complained really loudly), that the HW was now using steps instead of the "true" degrees. The old FW used degrees (I believe 1224 was one of the last that used "true" degrees.)
I am sure they had their reasons, but Micheal gave a quick formula to calculate between the two, and it worked out to ~=.6 deg/per step, and max 38 degs timing.
I think your approach was very original. Bravo!
Cheers,
Shawn.
Indoor track today didn't really need brakes. The big test will be when the outdoor season starts around March, the local track has a 2 or 3 big stops.
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Cheers
Rob.
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i have Xerun 120A 1S model. What is correct voltage cutoff for 1cell lipo's????? Will be used in 13.5 WGT
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