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Old 04-06-2012, 10:57 PM   #8566
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This will be the last comment on the drivers issue so we can get back to the hobbywing products and not the drivers mentioned in the Thread.

Yes you are right the American boys do dominate the off road scene as you can see that now on many result sheets throughout the world like neo2012 race being run in the uk .Americans are experts of the off road scene but there are also alot of europeans that are great to lee martin being one of them .

AS for on road electric very true you cannot catch up to the Europeans and Asians from Mr Hara to Andy moore,mr volker,mr rheinard and Jilles etc .

But the best all time drivers at this present and past who have dominated all classes they have run from on road to off road 1/10th /1/12 and 1/8th are Mr Hara and Mr hirosaka no one else can come anywhere near them and both from Japan.They are the best overall

anyway now back to hobbywing products .

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ok lets get back to
no doubt there's alot of talent across the pond. Reedy Race (offroad) was just won by Jorn and I believe most of the Euros you mentioned in offroad did very well too as well as at the Cactus Classic
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your a funny man!

how do you know the V3 is reliable..........?

do you want to put up a reliability test of a HW v's GM? Don't bother, I'm living it. I first had GM speedies, then I got some hobbywings. Well all my GM speedies are running from 2010, cannot say the same for my 3 poor hobbywings. The lights are on, but nobody is home. Will this put me off buying another hobbywing.......? Probably not, maybe, who knows........I'm still debating about the $ when I can buy an Orion for cheaper.
My sample is far greater than yours that is under 10 controllers.
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My sample is far greater than yours that is under 10 controllers.
I like hobbywing too, but I don't openly bag another manufacturer for their reliability issues and lack of easy use, without having first hand experience.

Do you even own a GM? Cos if you do, you know that it takes less than 20 seconds to change stock profiles, all you run is mode 7-9, simple. And you do this without any 'add on's/program box for the simple mode changes. Can you change profiles with a hobbywing under 20 seconds, didn't think so. Motor temp, esc temp, max rpm data logging.....GM have had those for years.

Like I said, my GM's are still running, and my hobbywings don't work, and if I had to count the total amount of hobbywings I have had, it would well exceed 10 I'm sure.

Now to buy a V3 or not. If I'm racing stock onroad, I will need to, as I cannot see myself being competitive with the current software for 2.1 in the future, when tekin etc bring out faster software and the 2.1 owners are left in the dark cos the only updates will be for the V3's.
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guys, what is the difference between Xerun Xtreme Stock Motor 60A witch i have and XERUN V2 Brushless Motor 60A and Xerun 60A-SD Version 2.1??? Looking to buy second and found that Xerun V2 60A is cheapest then the other one...
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HPI ACE and former 1/1oth world champion Andy Moore joins team hobbywing
Great pick up for Team Hobbywing, Andy's car looked to be the fastest down the straight at TITC, can't wait to see his settings become available


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I know this thread is in the electric onroad forum but I am following it primarily because this is where hobbywing seems to mostly inhabit.
Offroad, bluntly, is far more popular in the rc world than onroad globally(I think...don't shoot me if I'm wrong). In North America it's not even close. I realize in Europe onroad is extremely popular.
I wish onroad was more popular...I used to love racing 1/12th scale when I used to 20 years ago
With respect, I think you're missing the point. Mod tourer is the hardest class on ESCs, so demonstrating the merits of the v3 in mod TC will say more about the unit than any other class.
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Old 04-07-2012, 01:22 AM   #8571
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Sorry Angelo, but you can't stop that conversation by quoting the most well-known and most recent drivers!!

Hirosaka-san has the most trophies, but as for the best driver... Lamberto Collari, David Spashett and Tony Neisinger are at least three drivers who can challenge those guys to be the best. Just because you specialise, doesn't mean you are not the best driver.

Do you think Sebastian Loeb is not as good as Michael Schumacher because he only drives in rallies?
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As I cannot get into the lobbying site. Does anyone know the v3 dimensions ?.
Was hopeing for around tekin size but looks much bigger.
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Sorry Angelo, but you can't stop that conversation by quoting the most well-known and most recent drivers!!

Hirosaka-san has the most trophies, but as for the best driver... Lamberto Collari, David Spashett and Tony Neisinger are at least three drivers who can challenge those guys to be the best. Just because you specialise, doesn't mean you are not the best driver.

Do you think Sebastian Loeb is not as good as Michael Schumacher because he only drives in rallies?
It's tough to be the best in one category, imagine how tough is to be the best on MANY at SAME time

Masami won number of WORLD championships on every category he raced.

As already mentioned, this isn;t the thread to discuss that
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As I cannot get into the lobbying site. Does anyone know the v3 dimensions ?.
Was hopeing for around tekin size but looks much bigger.
Size 37.5mm(L) * 31mm(W) * 29.5mm(H)
from http://www.hobbywing.com/product_show.asp?id=276
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Size 37.5mm(L) * 31mm(W) * 29.5mm(H)
from http://www.hobbywing.com/product_show.asp?id=276
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Will the V3 software run on the V2, I know on the website it says ' (Note: XERUN V3 ESC ONLY works with the new version of the USB Link Software, that is, the version not ealier than V3.0_Beta_120401)' but doesn't say software isn't V2 compatible

It's probably been mentioned but this thread annoyingly keeps going miles off tangent
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Old 04-07-2012, 08:52 AM   #8577
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No, the V3 software only works with the V3 ESC.

For the V2 you need this version - http://www.hobbywing.com/upload/soft....64_111011.rar

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I find that weird when the HW 2.1 has larger dimensions then an Orion, but a HW V3 has the exact dimensions of an Orion. Also the s/w files are exactly the same as a V3, and looks exactly the same.

Quit denying it. I worked for Speed Passion when this exact same thing happened with the GT 2.0 and the HW.

Quit lying to users and just say Orion OEM's the V3's from HW
Come on dude, look at the speedo, it certainly isn't the same... 1) Orion has the power connectors the other side, 2) there is an on-board switch on the v3, 3) there are two sensor sockets on the Orion, 4) the Orion is programmed via sensor socket, 5) Orion uses its own software, which is locked to that speedo.

No one in denying the Orion is a HW, but it is not a v3. Consider it like a v2.5 if you will.

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I like hobbywing too, but I don't openly bag another manufacturer for their reliability issues and lack of easy use, without having first hand experience.

Do you even own a GM? Cos if you do, you know that it takes less than 20 seconds to change stock profiles, all you run is mode 7-9, simple. And you do this without any 'add on's/program box for the simple mode changes. Can you change profiles with a hobbywing under 20 seconds, didn't think so. Motor temp, esc temp, max rpm data logging.....GM have had those for years.
Having seen many GM's in operation, and having been at a track this weekend with a group of GM drivers, I can honestly say that the reliability of GM is questionable, IMO. At least three speedos this weekend alone had issues, either not boosting properly, shutting down intermittently after 4mins (although that was possibly snot induced.. Saying no more), or just not taking settings. Am I saying the GM is a bad speedo? No, it is very good, but in all the time I've seen people running them, they have been, well, temprimental at best, and is one reason why I never bothered to own one in the past.
As for the logging, it's well known that the rpm isn't wholely accurate on the GMs, and I don't think anyone is denying it hasn't been done before... Plus I still maintained rpm is a pretty useless figure to know.
As for the profile changes, that is vastly improved on the V3, easily able to go from a mod to 10.5 profile in 20secomds now, and then still retain the option of tweaking those settings to your liking, all without ever needing a laptop.. And that is better than a GM.

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Like I said, my GM's are still running, and my hobbywings don't work, and if I had to count the total amount of hobbywings I have had, it would well exceed 10 I'm sure.
Have to take your word in this, but I'm sure if you wanted to try and figure out what happened with the HW's, we'd all be happy to try and resolve the problems.

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Now to buy a V3 or not. If I'm racing stock onroad, I will need to, as I cannot see myself being competitive with the current software for 2.1 in the future, when tekin etc bring out faster software and the 2.1 owners are left in the dark cos the only updates will be for the V3's.
If you want to hear my honest, no bull assessment... You'll be fine with a v2.1 for a while, certainly even on uk tracks. Why? Because in stock racing, there is only so much power that the motors can give, and only so much batteries can give.. It was quite amusing yesterday watching a big group of guys who know what they are doing trying all sorts of things, and basically always running the same pace. There simply is no magic bullet that's going to gain you half a second a lap if your at the top of the game, regardless of what others may think. Lap times don't lie, end of.
However, for those lower down the rung (myself deffiently included there!), then the differences can come into play, and it's become pretty clear to me that the options on the new V3 are very handy to get the speedo what I want to do, and it is a smoother feeling unit than the v2.1, as well as running cooler (an indication of improved hardware).
End of the day, is it the be all and end all that will jump you from C to top of the A? No, and no speedo ever will be.
Is it the smoothest, most easily tuneable unit available on the market (yes, I know, limited availability now, but it will improve!! )? Yes, IMO, it is. It can be as complex and as simple as you like, and you can tune it to how you want it.

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It's tough to be the best in one category, imagine how tough is to be the best on MANY at SAME time

Masami won number of WORLD championships on every category he raced.

As already mentioned, this isn;t the thread to discuss that
This is where it all goes wrong - people who don't do their homework. Masami-san never won a Touring Car IFMAR WC, a category he entered many times!!

Since this has become a thread about prices for things people don't have or don't want, and about who is the best driver, I think one more fact won't go amiss!!
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