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Old 09-29-2011, 02:28 AM   #6451
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running a 4.5 with the 211 stock software. What's a safe starting point?
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Will be ready tomorrow

2 changes have been made

1.more brakes like the 211 stock has

2.less sensitivity of the sensor port thus all motors ca be used without the issue of esc switching to sensorless mode.

Ron schurr from roar will be doing the testing hopefully by this weekend as it needs to be roar approved before it can be run in vegas.

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just a quick question re the sensor issues.
Is anyone else having "issues" when running the 508_no_timing and 21.5t speed passion. Have the car fdr of 2.97 and it still doesn't run anywhere near on par with others running fdr of 3.1
Could this be the firmware or the motor? (have ordered a new hobbywing 21.5t just in case)
sorry its probably a newbie question, but am a little lost
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Old 09-29-2011, 03:12 AM   #6453
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just a quick question re the sensor issues.
Is anyone else having "issues" when running the 508_no_timing and 21.5t speed passion. Have the car fdr of 2.97 and it still doesn't run anywhere near on par with others running fdr of 3.1
Could this be the firmware or the motor? (have ordered a new hobbywing 21.5t just in case)
sorry its probably a newbie question, but am a little lost
It's entirely possible that you're over geared. No big secret, but I was running around 3.4 or higher around the track at SMA and was competitive enough. The extra punch out of the corners actually sets you up better for the rest of the track. Where you have the option of adjusting the timing on the motor, I tend towards slightly more timing and shorter gearing for more punch.

I haven't run the Speed Passion motor, but this approach has worked pretty well with Tekins, LRP's and Gens Ace.

Don't over crank it either, it all just goes up in heat, sometimes followed by smoke
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Old 09-29-2011, 03:27 AM   #6454
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Just as phil says, done overgear. I run a orion and a speedpassion both in blinky 21.5 the speedpassion i ran around 3.3 fdr, i installed the timing board that gives more timing but running it about 3/4 around as any more ave nonspeed but heaps of temp.

The orion on the otherhand i am around 2.9fdr as it works best with that motor
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It's entirely possible that you're over geared. No big secret, but I was running around 3.4 or higher around the track at SMA and was competitive enough. The extra punch out of the corners actually sets you up better for the rest of the track. Where you have the option of adjusting the timing on the motor, I tend towards slightly more timing and shorter gearing for more punch.

I haven't run the Speed Passion motor, but this approach has worked pretty well with Tekins, LRP's and Gens Ace.

Don't over crank it either, it all just goes up in heat, sometimes followed by smoke
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thanks for the reply, this gearing stuff is seriously doing my head in, originally had it geared at 3.65 and it was seriously slow, changed it 2 Tuesday nights ago to 3.2 and it was terrible slow still. Had a chat to a couple people and changed it down again, but still slow. Might head over to sma on sunday and race it anyways, i need the practice anyways
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My son has a HW 2.1v 60a esc he installed the 508 software but the LED does not flash in neutral. The programmer shows that the 508 software is installed and it seems to be a bit slower like the timing is gone. Any help would be great.
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My son has a HW 2.1v 60a esc he installed the 508 software but the LED does not flash in neutral. The programmer shows that the 508 software is installed and it seems to be a bit slower like the timing is gone. Any help would be great.
I asked the question earlier and was answered. Look closely, if the red led is on in neutral, watch for a faint blink. It blinks about twice a second so it is fairly fast and with the LED being fairly dim it is hard to detect. We have several racers using them and they are all the same.
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I will check that Thanks OLD DUDE
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It's entirely possible that you're over geared. No big secret, but I was running around 3.4 or higher around the track at SMA and was competitive enough.

I was the same for a while but in 21.5 it is about consistent lap times and smooth driving.

Don't have that right and you will feel slow. Anywhere around the low 3's is the right fdr and then also make sure the car is free, good bearings, free driveline, all those things are needed in 21.5.

If you need any tips I am there of a Tuesday as well, come and see me

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The extra punch out of the corners actually sets you up better for the rest of the track. Where you have the option of adjusting the timing on the motor, I tend towards slightly more timing and shorter gearing for more punch.

I haven't run the Speed Passion motor, but this approach has worked pretty well with Tekins, LRP's and Gens Ace.

Don't over crank it either, it all just goes up in heat, sometimes followed by smoke
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thanks for the reply, this gearing stuff is seriously doing my head in, originally had it geared at 3.65 and it was seriously slow, changed it 2 Tuesday nights ago to 3.2 and it was terrible slow still. Had a chat to a couple people and changed it down again, but still slow. Might head over to sma on sunday and race it anyways, i need the practice anyways
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Old 09-29-2011, 08:48 PM   #6460
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PDR and chrisk
thanks for you help with this stuff, still trying to get my head around it.
Going to just run the serpent in the 21.5 class on sunday and tuesday night and see how it goes, and work on it from there.
Really appreciate the time you guys give us newbies at sma
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Old 09-29-2011, 11:13 PM   #6461
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I ran a 120 amp V2.1 with a D3 all practice at 5.1 and then dropped down to 4.9 with the revtech and 211. I could not keep up with the car set up and struggled with tyre prep and my times suffered. I did a 21.9 in practice which was around 0.6 off the event pace but my car was just as quick all weekend. Interestingly i ran 60 boost 0 turbo all weekend and only suffered in the 2nd last qualifier when i bumped up the motor timing past 1 notch looking for more speed and the car felt like it went into sensor less mode.
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Myself and a friend were running the Trinity D3 and Hobbywing 120 amp esc combination last weekend and he unfortunately cooked his motor in the last heat. These are our settings we were trying

17.5 duo 3 standard timing
ddrs 5
boost timing 40
turbo slope 18
turbo timing 25
start rpm 4000
turbo delay 0.1s
timing acc 300

fdr 5.7-5.9
hobby wing 211 stock software

This was the first time out for us using the Hobbywing escs and we could use some help.
People running Tekin escs and Lrp motors were running 4.0 fdr
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Myself and a friend were running the Trinity D3 and Hobbywing 120 amp esc combination last weekend and he unfortunately cooked his motor in the last heat. These are our settings we were trying

17.5 duo 3 standard timing
ddrs 5
boost timing 40
turbo slope 18
turbo timing 25
start rpm 4000
turbo delay 0.1s
timing acc 300

fdr 5.7-5.9
hobby wing 211 stock software

This was the first time out for us using the Hobbywing escs and we could use some help.
People running Tekin escs and Lrp motors were running 4.0 fdr
The last setup we tried with a D3 had the motor temp at 59 Celcius. below is the specs.


17.5 duo 3 standard timing
ddrs 5
boost timing 50
turbo slope 18
turbo timing 20
start rpm 9000
turbo delay 0.1s
timing acc 300

Fdr 6.9 to 7.4 depending on track.
Hobby wing 211 stock software

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As promised new software these files once unzipped need to be copied to
c drive/programfiles/hobbywing usb 1.63 your actually replacing the two older files .


These files carry 3 types of software

1.508 zero timing more brake options and less sensativity on sensor port means less errors
2.930 mod based on the 119 less sensativity on sensor port means less errors
3.930 stock based on the 211 less sensativity on sensor port means less errors.

please send me an email to teamcobraracing@gmail.com and i will email you back the files.
thank you for your patients

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Old 09-30-2011, 06:17 AM   #6464
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what would be the best software to use with a 21.5t sp v3 motor

930/211/213

have only tried 211 but im lacking alot of top end atm
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As promised new software these files once unzipped need to be copied to
c drive/programfiles/hobbywing usb 1.63 your actually replacing the two older files .


These files carry 3 types of software

1.508 zero timing more brake options and less sensativity on sensor port means less errors
2.930 mod based on the 119 less sensativity on sensor port means less errors
3.930 stock based on the 211 less sensativity on sensor port means less errors

regards Angelo
Angelo,

Does this new version also solve the problem of the motor turning backwards in 508_zero?

This is very important for those going to IIC next week as this is the only blinky software correct?

508_no_timing is not allowed in blinky classes, correct?

Thanks
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