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Old 09-19-2011, 07:24 PM   #6361
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ill give that a try next weekend also will it work with 211 firmware

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Sure will .
PM Angelo for the 213 .ini file if still available if want to try the 213 software. You will have to apply this yourself in the program file installed on your PC. Not hard just make sure you follow the correct path to HW.exe.

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I have the same problem with a Bullistrorm 4.5T motor.Running less end bell timing (-1) helps a lot but the problem returns again after 4-4.30 mins.I excluded the sensor cable and the sensor board as i tried both with another motor and they're working OK.Next step is to reduce my boost and turbo settings by 3 units each as well the lipo cutoff from 3.2v to 3v/cell and finally if all these don't fix the problem i'll try a different shimming on the rotor.I cannot think something else and i want to turn back the end bell timing to 0 because on -1 i noticed a significant drop in performance otherwise i have to buy another motor.
Check the sensor boards carefully... run a knife blade between the contacts, as it's possible there's some solder flow if the motor gets hot, and this shorts out the sensor, dropping it into sensorless mode. If you've got a poor quality sensor, then this can be the problem...

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Roger what is your motor? and chassis, 8.3 fdr is too much, 7.50/7.70 wouold be better
Motor is Speed Passion, chassis Tc6, everyone drives there about 8 fdr. My is now 7.9, will try 7.5 and 8.3 to feel the difference. Anyway the track is not big and straight is short, carpet indoor.
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Check the sensor boards carefully... run a knife blade between the contacts, as it's possible there's some solder flow if the motor gets hot, and this shorts out the sensor, dropping it into sensorless mode. If you've got a poor quality sensor, then this can be the problem...

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I don't think is the sensor as i checked it on another motor and it works without any problem.And the motor does not switch in sensorless as i don't have any green LED flashing.If i release the triger for 20-30 sec or if i turn off the switch power and then turn it on the power returns again but only for a few secs until a second drop Looks like a cut off, like when the cutoff point is a little higher.Actually i have the cutoff point on 3.2v/cell and maybe this motor draws a lot of Amps expecially when run with the 211 stock.I haven't run it yet with the 205 and more conservative settings or in "blinky" mode to see if i have the same problem even with this program but i'll do it on the first occasion.But i have to tell you that on 0 end bell timing and 211stock, as long as it runs (a couple of minutes only ) is realy FASTTT.
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I don't think is the sensor as i checked it on another motor and it works without any problem.And the motor does not switch in sensorless as i don't have any green LED flashing.If i release the triger for 20-30 sec or if i turn off the switch power and then turn it on the power returns again but only for a few secs until a second drop Looks like a cut off, like when the cutoff point is a little higher.Actually i have the cutoff point on 3.2v/cell and maybe this motor draws a lot of Amps expecially when run with the 211 stock.I haven't run it yet with the 205 and more conservative settings or in "blinky" mode to see if i have the same problem even with this program but i'll do it on the first occasion.But i have to tell you that on 0 end bell timing and 211stock, as long as it runs (a couple of minutes only ) is realy FASTTT.
i had this prob i turned the low voltage protection for the lipo to off and this sorted it out make sure you charge lipo batterys between heats and you will be fine
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However I did blow 6 other motors in testing throughout the year trying to get them to go as fast as a Corally. It just isn't going to happen though.
Were you using extreme or 120a? Are the corraly motors that good in all the classes? We run 10.5 and 13.5. Cheers
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i had this prob i turned the low voltage protection for the lipo to off and this sorted it out make sure you charge lipo batterys between heats and you will be fine
Thanks,i'll try this.
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Going for a practice day tomorrow. Just wanting a few tips on what to adjust if the motor is hot/cold

This is my starting settings on a XtremeStock

Motor Speedpassion 21.5 0deg motor timing

2-0%
3-3.2v
4-level 5
5-50%
6-100%
7-0%
8-6%
9-40
10-18
11-enable
12-24
13-5000
14-0.3
15-450

6.3 FDR

Car is a TOP Photon

This is the track


Any help would be great
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Old 09-20-2011, 06:18 AM   #6369
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This is what I would do Roger999

drag - 10%
ddrs - 7 =3
boost timing - 50 =40
turbo open - 18/0.1 =12/0.1sc
turbo timing - 14 =24
boost - 4000 try range 3000/6000
turbo delay- 0.2 =0.3
boost timing - 500 rpm/deg =300/400 rpm

fdr - 7.9 = try 80/21 (7.62) or 80/22 (7.27)

Tell me the result!
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This is what I would do

drag - 10%
ddrs - 7 =3
boost timing - 50 =40
turbo open - 18/0.1 =12/0.1sc
turbo timing - 14 =24
boost - 4000 try range 3000/6000
turbo delay- 0.2 =0.3
boost timing - 500 rpm/deg =300/400 rpm

fdr - 7.9 = try 80/21 (7.62) or 80/22 (7.27)

Tell me the result!
What motor is that for Olly
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He has a Speed Passion 10.5t, sorry forgot to put the name for who it was intended.
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Were you using extreme or 120a? Are the corraly motors that good in all the classes? We run 10.5 and 13.5. Cheers
I run both throughout the year and in my head I know there is no difference but I prefered the feel of a 120a. The problem with the Corally motor is that in most sanctioned racing it is not allowed as it is designed in a slightly different way. If the club/event allows it then I don't believe in stock racing anything will touch it. The lower you go with the wind the less difference there is i.e

21.5 Corally massively quicker.
13.5 Corally slightly different.
10.5 Next to no difference as all.

I would only run one of these in the 21.5 class, in 13.5 I can get the HW motor to be just as fast and without the heat issues. I will be running HW during the winter
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This is what I would do Roger999

drag - 10%
ddrs - 7 =3
boost timing - 50 =40
turbo open - 18/0.1 =12/0.1sc
turbo timing - 14 =24
boost - 4000 try range 3000/6000
turbo delay- 0.2 =0.3
boost timing - 500 rpm/deg =300/400 rpm

fdr - 7.9 = try 80/21 (7.62) or 80/22 (7.27)

Tell me the result!
will try it next race on next week and tell you, also have my different settings and check is as well. We'll see what better suits me.
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I don't think is the sensor as i checked it on another motor and it works without any problem.And the motor does not switch in sensorless as i don't have any green LED flashing.If i release the triger for 20-30 sec or if i turn off the switch power and then turn it on the power returns again but only for a few secs until a second drop Looks like a cut off, like when the cutoff point is a little higher.Actually i have the cutoff point on 3.2v/cell and maybe this motor draws a lot of Amps expecially when run with the 211 stock.I haven't run it yet with the 205 and more conservative settings or in "blinky" mode to see if i have the same problem even with this program but i'll do it on the first occasion.But i have to tell you that on 0 end bell timing and 211stock, as long as it runs (a couple of minutes only ) is realy FASTTT.
Hi guys

no it's not an issue with the esc or the motors the problem lies in the software were we have a very high sensitivity sensing for the sensor port of the esc and because of the very high currents in low turn motors and the turbo functions that give us enormous power as well as high end bell adjustment the signal from the motor to the esc is distorted in some way or the other thus the esc cannot process a clean signal and sending the esc to sensorless mode as it has detected a low signal from the motor because of the high currents so we are in the process of producing a lower sensitivity sensing in the software ill keep you informed .

sorry for the long explanatiion but im sure we all learn from it im also sorry for this issue that has arisen.

Ill keep you informed .

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Here is the setting I ended up with today

Motor Speedpassion 21.5 0deg motor timing

2-0%
3-3.2v
4-level 5
5-50%
6-100%
7-0%
8-6%
9-40
10-18
11-enable
12-24
13-4000
14-0.2
15-400

6.3 FDR

but I feel its just a little to hot temp wise but was really fast vs the other tries I have had so far.

what should I try to reduce the heat and reduce a little lag it has coming out a 180 corner heading to the sweeper
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