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Old 07-11-2011, 06:44 PM   #5581
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Ive gone back to 224 just need some setting now for x12 13.5t
Hope this helps. This is for the X12 10.5T Stockspec for TC. Hope this will be a basic for the 13.5T. Need to change a little bit. The power is really great.


running mode: 1
Drag brake : 20%
voltage : 3.0 /cell
punch: 3
Brake force : 100 %
Reverse force : 100 %
initial brake : 0%
neutral range: 6%
boost timing :36 deg
turbo ramp: 12/0.1 sec
turbo timing : 24
start rpm: 4000 rpm
turbo delay : 0.4
timing acc: 600 rpm/deg

FDR: 7.4
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Old 07-11-2011, 07:22 PM   #5582
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Managed to melt my THIRD motor this afternoon. And it was NOT even overheating!

First things first, though:
First motor to go was a Trinity Duo2 17.5T, geared at around 7.0FDR (all motors on my 1/5 scale Thunder Tiger SB-5 motorcycle, running an Xtreme Stock ESC with mild settings, which I have mentioned earlier). It ran a few batteries at around 80-85C and then in one battery it went buttery... something melted inside it... and it was running just 3-4 minutes, while previously it had ran 10-minute sessions with cool off periods in between...

Then it was a Nosram Pure Evo (X12 equivalent, 17.5T) geared even lower at 8.1FDR. This one ran a high of 105C, so I toned down the turbo and boost settings a bit and managed to make it run at a top 90C, with ambient temps around 30-33C.

This afternoon (ambient 35C) I ran the Nosram (X11 equivalent, also 17.5T). First battery went fine, motor came out at 85C after 12 minutes on track.
Second battery, 20-25 minutes later, motor had temped down to 40C, just after three minutes of running, the bike stopped on its tracks... I temped the motor, it was 90C, but it was coughing badly, would not start if it was not pushed, smelled badly...

Now... last year, in my KP09 bike, I was running a Xerun 60A 2.1, powering a Nosram 13.5T (x11), geared at 6.1, mild settings on the then program, and later an LRP X12, geared and turboed the same and it never caused a problem with either motor...

Small difference between the bikes: KP weighed 1810 grams, TT weighs 1905 gr. (according to the RC Bikes Worlds rules, respectively).
Last year's batteries were HK 3300/3600/30C, now I am running GensAce 5000/50C.

So, I'm back to my X11 13,5T Nosram, now, but with a serious change: I ditched the Xtreme stock and mounted the Xerun 60A...

More testing tomorrow early morning before temps hit over 33C...
I geared the X11 at last year's (longish) 6.1, just to see how it will fare...
Settings are the same mild from the 17.5T:

Punch 5
LVC 3.0V (not really important, I consume around 2200mah for each 10-12 minutes of running at the track)
Boost 25
slope 18
turbo 20
boost start 4000
delay 03
ACC 400

We will see if something IS wrong with the Xtreme stock... First it didnt have adequate brakes, then I soldered a 4-cap capacitor (stolen from my 120A Xerun!) and it had some little better brakes, now it started melting the motors?!!!!!
Can it be so?!!!

Edit: all motors were ran with 211 FW...
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Old 07-12-2011, 05:00 AM   #5583
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Old 07-12-2011, 05:27 AM   #5584
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Again I tried the 224 with X12 10.5 T motor and the motor temp. dropped again. So sharing my set up with anyone who need starting point.

running mode: 1
Drag brake : 20%
voltage : 3.0 /cell
punch: 3
Brake force : 100 %
Reverse force : 100 %
initial brake : 0%
neutral range: 6%
boost timing :30 deg
turbo ramp: 12/0.1 sec
turbo timing : 22
start rpm: 6000 rpm
turbo delay : 0.4
timing acc: 600 rpm/deg

FDR: 7.4

Motor Temp after 5 mins : 69 -79 degrees...(Still good for this motor)
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:13 AM   #5585
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With the Xerun 60A mounted in the bike, and the Nosram (X11) 13.5T geared at 7.5FDR, 211 FW with the following:
Punch 4
LVC 3.0V
Boost 20
slope 18
turbo 10
boost start 4000
delay 04
ACC 450
The bike was immensely fast, even pulled some wheelies (it's good it has a slipper, which took care of the wheelies and spinouts out of slow corners)
and my lap times did NOT drop! haha! I had "learned" to drive the 17.5T motors and the 13.5T being so much stronger and faster, brought out the clumsy me to the surface!
Thanks to my local Nosram distributor, I now have a brand new Pure Evo (X12) 17.5T -at a very-very discounted price- to mount this evening and continue my practising!
I desoldered all the "fat gauge" cables from the Xtreme and soldered them on the Xerun 60A, complete with the 4-cap capacitor! In comparison, the 60A's cables are a thinner gauge, so I guess it's somewhat better now!
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Old 07-12-2011, 08:26 AM   #5586
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hi ... just asking ... now I use the 119s firmware ... any difference with the firmware 224 to the 119s ... I only use 10.5t motor ... please give a good firmware suggestion ... thank you
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Drag brake : 0%
voltage : 3.0 /cell
punch: 7
Brake force : 87.5 %
Reverse force : 100 %
initial brake : 0%
neutral range: 6%
boost timing :25 deg
turbo ramp: 6/0.1 sec
turbo timing : 24
start rpm: 5000 rpm
turbo delay : 0.2
timing acc: 450 rpm/deg

x12 13.5 fdr 8.4 on 30x20 carpet tight track going try this tonight
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Hey All,

With all the talk on different software versions (and installing multiple copies of the USB link on your computer), I got my house in order last night and did the same, and have four copies on the laptop. This got me thinking it might be useful to have a quick reference sheet for which version had what software, so I made one up (easy to do if you set the speedo software to 508, and then flick through all the programs! ).

Anyway, here it is. I'll also post it in the settings thread.

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Anyway, here it is. I'll also post it in the settings thread.

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Hey All,

With all the talk on different software versions (and installing multiple copies of the USB link on your computer), I got my house in order last night and did the same, and have four copies on the laptop. This got me thinking it might be useful to have a quick reference sheet for which version had what software, so I made one up (easy to do if you set the speedo software to 508, and then flick through all the programs! ).

Anyway, here it is. I'll also post it in the settings thread.

Cheers
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Excellent work!!!!
Saved and printed!
Thanks!!!
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Excellent work!!!!
Saved and printed!
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I usually carry a small dossier with the rc vehicle's manual, the (current) HW FW setup guide, and other needed papers (like the esc and radio manual, the gear ratio chart etc) when at the track... so this one just went into that dossier, to keep handy!
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Ready to fit my 2nd Ezrun Version 2 60amp esc now to my sons car.

Doing away with the Version 1 esc.

Ordering Lipo now.

So as soon as a Lipo is connected setting 12) will come up?

Then what do you do with setting 3) ?

7.4v 2s 5000mah will be fine then I think?
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Ready to fit my 2nd Ezrun Version 2 60amp esc now to my sons car.

Doing away with the Version 1 esc.

Ordering Lipo now.

So as soon as a Lipo is connected setting 12) will come up?

Then what do you do with setting 3) ?

7.4v 2s 5000mah will be fine then I think?
Setting 12 not sure but setting 3 can be set at 3.0V/cell
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Well done Ed,

Saves a lot of time by making the overview. Good job mate..

Save & Printed for reference.
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