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Old 03-07-2011, 01:04 AM   #3601
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Yes, also called a WYE stator, in modified (europe) you can also run a delta motor. The diagram Cherry2Blost post is clear enough to make his point, which is very accurate. The way the delta and wye motors are connected is the same, but the way it is controlled is slightly differenent. Normally you can get more RPM out of a delta motor, and more torque out of the wye/star type of stator.

Hey Irgo, do you think he is talking about 64 STEPS???? And NOT 64 degrees?

After this I am giving up. Its been amuzing, since I had nothing better to do than watch paint dry today. Let irgo run his 64deg of timing, I will run my 59, with less heat, and more power.

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Cheers Shawn.....

I seem to remember early versions of the LRP X12 either went bang or were slamming into reverse when running high Turbo settings on was it the RS or the SPX remind me please someone I can't find the posts. Because of the Factory installed 40 degrees of timing on the motors.
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Yes, also called a WYE stator, in modified (europe) you can also run a delta motor. The diagram Cherry2Blost post is clear enough to make his point, which is very accurate. The way the delta and wye motors are connected is the same, but the way it is controlled is slightly differenent. Normally you can get more RPM out of a delta motor, and more torque out of the wye/star type of stator.

Hey Irgo, do you think he is talking about 64 STEPS???? And NOT 64 degrees?

After this I am giving up. Its been amuzing, since I had nothing better to do than watch paint dry today. Let irgo run his 64deg of timing, I will run my 59, with less heat, and more power.

Cheers,
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V3.0_110119 60 max compensate
V3.0_110211 (213) 64 max compensate it is 60+4
the Version 3rd Generation had Steps meaning per Degree, unlike version 2nd Generation.
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Crystal clear Irgo! Or wait a minute...i don't understand a word your saying...
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V3.0_110119 60 max compensate
V3.0_110211 (213) 64 max compensate it is 60+4
the Version 3rd Generation had Steps meaning per Degree, unlike version 2nd Generation.
Simple.


Can you explain how you derived this conclusion?
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V3.0_110119 60 max compensate
V3.0_110211 (213) 64 max compensate it is 60+4
the Version 3rd Generation had Steps meaning per Degree, unlike version 2nd Generation.
Simple.
Where are you getting these figures for 0211 from it AIN'T OUT YET !!!!!
Am gonna ask the SP thread to take you back for a while

518 had 8 settings each corresponding to specific amounts of degrees of timing.... 0119 extended this to 'steps' to allow more adjust ability and 'some' more timing. You cannot run a 3 coil/6 pole motor at more than 60 degrees it is a scientific impossibility, physics of magnetism will not allow it to run.

360 degrees / 6 = 60 it's the limit THATS why X12's were slamming into reverse when they first came out and were paired with dynamic timing ESC's !!!
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Cheers Shawn.....

I seem to remember early versions of the LRP X12 either went bang or were slamming into reverse when running high Turbo settings on was it the RS or the SPX remind me please someone I can't find the posts. Because of the Factory installed 40 degrees of timing on the motors.
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now you may sleep at night knowing.
thank you for that thought I was going mad.

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Too many discussion of degree(step), right? Is it very important to you drivers? To me, not.

I just want to test the setting by lap time and the overall result. Find the one works best for yourself or just copy the setting from the faster driver beside you, easy and safe.


For those "theory drivers", I respect your words but I will not follow you,
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For those "theory drivers", I respect your words but I will not follow you,
Respect to all,
but is it so difficult to give a answer...??
The this is going, i will be testing new firmwares every week,
just to get the good settings on the amount of timing.
THE EXTRA FINE SETTINGS ARE GREAT, BUT WHY NOT GIVE A COMPARISSON,
this way is inefficient.
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Where are you getting these figures for 0211 from it AIN'T OUT YET !!!!!
Am gonna ask the SP thread to take you back for a while

518 had 8 settings each corresponding to specific amounts of degrees of timing.... 0119 extended this to 'steps' to allow more adjust ability and 'some' more timing. You cannot run a 3 coil/6 pole motor at more than 60 degrees it is a scientific impossibility, physics of magnetism will not allow it to run.

360 degrees / 6 = 60 it's the limit THATS why X12's were slamming into reverse when they first came out and were paired with dynamic timing ESC's !!!
i know that
have you read my last post Cherry ?
read again carefully
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This is the secrets.
Shawn, There is really that Range of Timing is 0~60 (theoretical)
as where the 60 is Straight, and can only be done While rotating.
That's is at V3.0_110119. This is The Real SuperCharge is.

So what is the new 64 ?
like i said, it was 4 secret's.
i will simply uncover it.

It is 60+4, This is What Brushed Can't Do once again beside Advanced,
and Dynamic.
So it's Like Dual Timing, per Rotation.
it is not out of Physics , because it's still can be Done with in range 0~60. and it's Still in the Dynamic.
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i know that
have you read my last post Cherry ?
read again carefully
NEW HOBBYWING STOCK SUPERCHARGED SOFTWARE
No point in re reading it, as it makes a) no sense b) electrically impossible c) absolute gibberish even by your usual standards.
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No point in re reading it, as it makes a) no sense b) electrically impossible c) absolute gibberish even by your usual standards.
read again

This is the secrets.
Shawn, There is really that Range of Timing is 0~60 (theoretical)
as where the 60 is Straight, and can only be done While rotating.
That's is at V3.0_110119. This is The Real SuperCharge is.

So what is the new 64 ?
like i said, it was 4 secret's.
i will simply uncover it.

It is 60+4, This is What Brushed Can't Do once again beside Advanced,
and Dynamic.
So it's Like Dual Timing, per Rotation.
it is not out of Physics , because it's still can be Done with in range 0~60. and it's Still in the Dynamic.
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This is the secrets.
Shawn, There is really that Range of Timing is 0~60 (theoretical)
as where the 60 is Straight, and can only be done While rotating.
That's is at V3.0_110119. This is The Real SuperCharge is.

So what is the new 64 ?
like i said, it was 4 secret's.
i will simply uncover it.

It is 60+4, This is What Brushed Can't Do once again beside Advanced,
and Dynamic.
So it's Like Dual Timing, per Rotation.
it is not out of Physics , because it's still can be Done with in range 0~60. and it's Still in the Dynamic.
No can't be arsed
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This is the secrets.
Shawn, There is really that Range of Timing is 0~60 (theoretical)
as where the 60 is Straight, and can only be done While rotating.
That's is at V3.0_110119. This is The Real SuperCharge is.

So what is the new 64 ?
like i said, it was 4 secret's.
i will simply uncover it.

It is 60+4, This is What Brushed Can't Do once again beside Advanced,
and Dynamic.
So it's Like Dual Timing, per Rotation.
it is not out of Physics , because it's still can be Done with in range 0~60. and it's Still in the Dynamic.
This reminds me about one of the travels i did to China. I was visiting the mountains (forgot the province, will ask later) and we were vissiting some kind of temple there. It was a long walk to go there and on the way a monk (just someone who wanted to sell some candles or incent to tourist) wanted to start a conversation with me but i really could not make out what he was saying, his Chinglish was soo bad! Then he asked my wife in chinese (she is chinese) where i was from cause i could not understand him, she said the Netherlands. He said in chinese to her "aah ok no wonder" ........Insinuating that I could not understand the hell HE was saying cause MY english was bad! LMAOO My wife was like
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This reminds me about one of the travels i did to China. I was visiting the mountains (forgot the province, will ask later) and we were vissiting some kind of temple there. It was a long walk to go there and on the way a monk (just someone who wanted to sell some candles or incent to tourist) wanted to start a conversation with me but i really could not make out what he was saying, his Chinglish was soo bad! Then he asked my wife in chinese (she is chinese) where i was from cause i could not understand him, she said the Netherlands. He said in chinese to her "aah ok no wonder" ........Insinuating that I could not understand the hell HE was saying cause MY english was bad! LMAOO My wife was like
Wow great story !!!
But I still want to know how Irgo has this fab new software and the team here in the UK do not??? Or is he just 'wishing' again?
hey you never know he may be up for a Nobel prize for disproving the Laws of Physics ROFPMSL
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