4LikesNEW HOBBYWING STOCK SUPERCHARGED SOFTWARE
02-02-2011, 09:24 AM
#2866
02-02-2011, 09:27 AM
#2867
Brushless motors can run alot higher then 30deg, they produce their most amount of power when approaching 60deg. With high turn motors, there is still enough inductance to prevent the motor from drawing to much current so it can be done without damageing the motor. As the number of turns goes down, the inductance is also lowered, so the motor will draw more current. Reducing the amount of timing in the motor, the stator will produce more back emf (think inductance) to the ESC reducing the amount of current draw. (preventing it from burning up). Thats why you must run less timing on your 5.5 mod motors. Its also why I can run my 17.5 at close to 60deg momentarily while not burning the motor up. If you want more info I can recommend some ISBN's to read on the subject.
As for why I am alittle more then ticked, is if the speedo, or software doesnt actually do 60deg, then DONT PUT IT IN THE MANUAL. 60 DEG is a mathimatical, and measurable amount and not a series of steps.
As for running 0119 at 54, No. 38 deg was only being used because that was the limit at the time, I would rather run 45-50 deg boost. Thats what 0119 says it can do in the manual. Now after the fact, we (as in all rctech'ers) found out that its not true. Do you understand where I am coming from? Its frustrating to be told one thing, to find out after the fact that its not true, and the manual mis-represents the product.
I am sure Sizheng and Angealo are both very smart guys, and have worked very hard on their products. That is why I am surprised their is a mis-match between the manual and the actual product. I would also not be surprised if their is a meeting going on somewhere about this matter, with some loud discussion. (or atleast I should hope so).
Cheers,
Shawn.
As for why I am alittle more then ticked, is if the speedo, or software doesnt actually do 60deg, then DONT PUT IT IN THE MANUAL. 60 DEG is a mathimatical, and measurable amount and not a series of steps.
As for running 0119 at 54, No. 38 deg was only being used because that was the limit at the time, I would rather run 45-50 deg boost. Thats what 0119 says it can do in the manual. Now after the fact, we (as in all rctech'ers) found out that its not true. Do you understand where I am coming from? Its frustrating to be told one thing, to find out after the fact that its not true, and the manual mis-represents the product.
I am sure Sizheng and Angealo are both very smart guys, and have worked very hard on their products. That is why I am surprised their is a mis-match between the manual and the actual product. I would also not be surprised if their is a meeting going on somewhere about this matter, with some loud discussion. (or atleast I should hope so).
Cheers,
Shawn.
Torque Limit it the Solution to reach it speed With Higher Timing, Like we saw at SuperCharge.
So, if Brushed Could only able to start Running at 30Degree, and no more, Today Brushless can Reach 0~60Degree timing, with Torque Limit Method, and this what to Maintain, it's Excesive power, While Having alot of Torque.
02-02-2011, 10:18 AM
#2868
Is the Orca speed control the same as the Hobby Wing?
02-02-2011, 10:44 AM
#2869
02-02-2011, 11:02 AM
#2870
Ok I get it, your pissed.. fine. But, from my side, you've stated that you thought the 0119 was slow compared to the 1224, have been given a reason as to why, and al solution, yet seemingly haven't tried it? Isn't that what counts? *headbang* Forget about the ° thing, Angelo has said that it's being discussed (and I agree, it's not exactly clear).
All I've stated here is simply what was explained to me. it's been stated 1224 and 0119 have similar (if not the same overall) total timing levels. But they need to be set differently to achieve the same performance. Simples.
All I've stated here is simply what was explained to me. it's been stated 1224 and 0119 have similar (if not the same overall) total timing levels. But they need to be set differently to achieve the same performance. Simples.
Shawn
02-02-2011, 11:21 AM
#2871
This is what I reckon...
518/1224/119
There is no (or very little) extra speed just more adjustability.
They all need to be wound up pretty high to get near (but not quite with) the Tekins ... but then they are half the price!
518/1224/119
There is no (or very little) extra speed just more adjustability.
They all need to be wound up pretty high to get near (but not quite with) the Tekins ... but then they are half the price!
02-02-2011, 12:36 PM
#2872
I have to disagree, 1224 was a huge leap in stock racing.
02-02-2011, 03:45 PM
#2873
Thanks everyone for your help on the 21.5 set up, I have a good direction to run in now
Many Thanks
Duncan...
Many Thanks
Duncan...
02-02-2011, 03:59 PM
#2874
02-02-2011, 04:05 PM
#2875
02-02-2011, 04:17 PM
#2876
Tech Initiate
V2.1 or xtreme stock?
Before I buy myself an Xtreme Stock, is there any advantage to buying the 60A V2.1 instead? Do they both have the same FETs etc inside, or is the cooling better on the V2.1 because of its larger size?
Cheers
Ben
Cheers
Ben
02-02-2011, 04:32 PM
#2877
Typed Version Correctly.
Guys Let's get back on track,
i see many asked and talked about software and typed 1224
Please correcting that the right version is V3.0_101224STOCK
V3.0 = is a Third Generation Software
Do not Compared it with
V2.0_101212STOCK
V2.0 = is a Previously Second Generation Software
That's all may come new updates but different Version Generation,
So please don't just type 4 digits "1224"
typed it completely ex : V3.0_101224STOCK or V3.0_110119STOCK or V2.0_101212STOCK
date version is (version Generation + 6 digit)
So we all know which version is to be discussed.
Thank's For attention.
i see many asked and talked about software and typed 1224
Please correcting that the right version is V3.0_101224STOCK
V3.0 = is a Third Generation Software
Do not Compared it with
V2.0_101212STOCK
V2.0 = is a Previously Second Generation Software
That's all may come new updates but different Version Generation,
So please don't just type 4 digits "1224"
typed it completely ex : V3.0_101224STOCK or V3.0_110119STOCK or V2.0_101212STOCK
date version is (version Generation + 6 digit)
So we all know which version is to be discussed.
Thank's For attention.
Last edited by irgo; 02-03-2011 at 11:17 AM.
02-02-2011, 05:22 PM
#2879
I have been a little slack and i didnt pick up on the confusion as i understood it quite well but that wasnt good enough i should have been on to it faster that what i did and for that i apologise .
Yes the settings are in steps which translate to degrees of timing etc were 1224 wasn't and 108 and 105 was just in degrees of timing which made it easier for all of you to understand .
The 119 for what most have you would have noticed that mathematics and adding had to be implemented to get the same or better results from the 119 to the 1224 etc .The 119 was my idea with smaller increments per change in degree and options so it can help the racer with more optiions and more power in small steps so the esc can be more adjustable in many ways for different temp conditions,different brand of motors and different tracks .sorry for going above and beyond of what i should have .
The 119 is better than 1224 ,108,105 etc etc when the correct settings have been adjusted.Michael brought all the software like the 46 degree software and the 30 degree in one package in the 119 and the reason why he did that was to have all motor brands as options instead of having to sets of software packages for say hw motors,novak lrp and different for sp,tekin etc .one package in the 119 for all options with motors.
Im sorry that i didnt explain it properly for all of you to understand its just ive been so busy with travelling to china for a meeting ,organising the escs and communicatiing with the organisers from the TITC thailand race and a major issue which legally i cannot discuss at the moment which has taken away my time to help you guys but also alot of my energy its not personal but has to do with hobbywing .As most of you know i am a workaholic and i dont ever give in to anyone or anything no matter how difficult it may get .
The legal issue i will reveal shortly but mainly it has to do with the usa and one manufacturer based there who is trying to stop us entering the us market .
anyway i apologise
Last edited by COBRARACING; 02-02-2011 at 05:38 PM.
