Roars new rule: No sponsors in stock...
10-29-2009, 12:36 PM
#31
The rule saying you can only run 1 class if entering sportsman class.
Does that meen I cam run sportsman 17.5 rubber tire TC and sportsman 17.5 1/12??? There seems to be alot of grey areas.
Tim
Does that meen I cam run sportsman 17.5 rubber tire TC and sportsman 17.5 1/12??? There seems to be alot of grey areas.
Tim
10-29-2009, 03:05 PM
#32
Sportsman Stock classes will be effective at ROAR nationals in 2010.
The intent is to keep professional and sponsored racers out of the stock level racing. And yes, that means no stickers, logos or apparel from sponsorship that might indicate that driver was paid anything from product to travel or other incentive to run that product. Sportsman stock is designed for the racer who has no help from anybody to purchase product and simply enjoys the hobby.
We do encourage other programs to begin this idea as well to build the stock level racing programs which only enhances the entire hobby and makes us all stronger.
The Fall meeting of the ROAR Executive Committee are posted on the ROAR website. The stock rules are highlighted within those minutes.
The intent is to keep professional and sponsored racers out of the stock level racing. And yes, that means no stickers, logos or apparel from sponsorship that might indicate that driver was paid anything from product to travel or other incentive to run that product. Sportsman stock is designed for the racer who has no help from anybody to purchase product and simply enjoys the hobby.
We do encourage other programs to begin this idea as well to build the stock level racing programs which only enhances the entire hobby and makes us all stronger.
The Fall meeting of the ROAR Executive Committee are posted on the ROAR website. The stock rules are highlighted within those minutes.
10-30-2009, 03:04 AM
#33
Before to long it'll be like the nba or nfl, telling you what kind of cloths you can wear and controlling your personal life. I just got into racing this year and i put stickers on my truggy to show what company my parts are coming from and plus i just like them too. I dont see nascar or the nhra telling their "stock" drivers to remove their stickers. ROAR needs to really rethink this!
10-30-2009, 05:19 AM
#34
Whats funny is since the rules have been released, I have seen MANY people remove there sig. I wana see how there gona be able to inforce this rule. I'm willing to bet the first National has guys in the sportsman that dont belong if roar is really trying to help the sport grow by allowing the Newbie to race thats perfect!! BUT, some cant afford to race w/o any help. So they go out and promote to help cut cost and now stuck in a class they dont belong. Forced into a faster class where it cost more to compete and the fun factor is gone. Just adding a Sportsman class for the Beginers would have been perfect alone.
TC racing is already hurting, Why take such a steep step right away and not work into changes slowley. I feel current ruls are going to hurt the counts 30%+.
I totally support a Sportsman class, Just a correct way to do it w/o hurting Others would be best. Work the class in..small steps Rome was not built in a day BUT could be gone the next.
TC racing is already hurting, Why take such a steep step right away and not work into changes slowley. I feel current ruls are going to hurt the counts 30%+.
I totally support a Sportsman class, Just a correct way to do it w/o hurting Others would be best. Work the class in..small steps Rome was not built in a day BUT could be gone the next.
10-30-2009, 07:11 AM
#35
Before to long it'll be like the nba or nfl, telling you what kind of cloths you can wear and controlling your personal life. I just got into racing this year and i put stickers on my truggy to show what company my parts are coming from and plus i just like them too. I dont see nascar or the nhra telling their "stock" drivers to remove their stickers. ROAR needs to really rethink this!
The reason for the ROAR ruling is to take away the advantage of a company getting anything out of a shirt or a sticker that may or may not represent the racer getting something. We're trying to separate the guys just out having fun from the more serious and dedicated racer. This way is the easiest to enforce.
Now while you cannot wear a company shirt, you could wear an event shirt.
10-30-2009, 07:18 AM
#36
Exactally my point also, I DONT get ANY $$ for my placings. I have been a dedicated racer for years and now that I get some help for being dedicated Im punished..LOL
Sad part is I have heard of guys getting some Hobby Shop deals better than what some 50% racers get.
Sad part is I have heard of guys getting some Hobby Shop deals better than what some 50% racers get.
10-30-2009, 07:51 AM
#37
Whats funny is since the rules have been released, I have seen MANY people remove there sig. I wana see how there gona be able to inforce this rule. I'm willing to bet the first National has guys in the sportsman that dont belong if roar is really trying to help the sport grow by allowing the Newbie to race thats perfect!! BUT, some cant afford to race w/o any help. So they go out and promote to help cut cost and now stuck in a class they dont belong. Forced into a faster class where it cost more to compete and the fun factor is gone. Just adding a Sportsman class for the Beginers would have been perfect alone.
TC racing is already hurting, Why take such a steep step right away and not work into changes slowley. I feel current ruls are going to hurt the counts 30%+.
I totally support a Sportsman class, Just a correct way to do it w/o hurting Others would be best. Work the class in..small steps Rome was not built in a day BUT could be gone the next.
TC racing is already hurting, Why take such a steep step right away and not work into changes slowley. I feel current ruls are going to hurt the counts 30%+.
I totally support a Sportsman class, Just a correct way to do it w/o hurting Others would be best. Work the class in..small steps Rome was not built in a day BUT could be gone the next.
i think guys who get the following:
- paid to win
- get their entry paid for by the company
- get their hotel/travel costs paid by the company
shouldnt be allowed in anything except mod. i think i remember a few years back, the winner of the Reedy Race won some $$$ for winning 19T from the driver's car manufacturer. This type of driver should be in mod not stock.
now guys with "homie hook ups", "hobby shop discounts" or 50% deals should be allowed in stock and lower. guys who get paid are much more serious than the average joe.
10-30-2009, 07:55 AM
#38
Not an punishment!
This will give the new racer a chance to enter a national race, get his name on top and maybe pick up some sponsors. Then move up to race with the guys who have been racing for years.
No loss off old racers, just gaining new ones!
10-30-2009, 08:03 AM
#39
what does the rule say exactly?
i think guys who get the following:
- paid to win
- get their entry paid for by the company
- get their hotel/travel costs paid by the company
shouldnt be allowed in anything except mod. i think i remember a few years back, the winner of the Reedy Race won some $$$ for winning 19T from the driver's car manufacturer. This type of driver should be in mod not stock.
now guys with "homie hook ups", "hobby shop discounts" or 50% deals should be allowed in stock and lower. guys who get paid are much more serious than the average joe.
i think guys who get the following:
- paid to win
- get their entry paid for by the company
- get their hotel/travel costs paid by the company
shouldnt be allowed in anything except mod. i think i remember a few years back, the winner of the Reedy Race won some $$$ for winning 19T from the driver's car manufacturer. This type of driver should be in mod not stock.
now guys with "homie hook ups", "hobby shop discounts" or 50% deals should be allowed in stock and lower. guys who get paid are much more serious than the average joe.
EXACTLY!
10-30-2009, 08:04 AM
#40
Yes, sportsman stock TC and 1/12th is fine.
10-30-2009, 08:05 AM
#41
+1-
Mod and SS should be for those racers Exactally!!
Basically any Homie hook up is banned ..BUT a Hobby Shop deal is OK...
Example: So ,some like I supporting 2 racers myself and my son at same overall cost as a HS racer deal.I have to run something more than I desire because I get my deal thru the MFG not a HS, Where a HS is actuaually effected more. IF I or somebody in lower class was winning I could see being asked to move up. But the rule is not solid in my mind.
Mod and SS should be for those racers Exactally!!
Basically any Homie hook up is banned ..BUT a Hobby Shop deal is OK...
Example: So ,some like I supporting 2 racers myself and my son at same overall cost as a HS racer deal.I have to run something more than I desire because I get my deal thru the MFG not a HS, Where a HS is actuaually effected more. IF I or somebody in lower class was winning I could see being asked to move up. But the rule is not solid in my mind.
10-30-2009, 08:05 AM
#42
Does ROAR pay for you to race or travel or stay in a hotel? Does ROAR give you free product to race with and part of the deal is to promote that product?
No?
Then, sure.. a ROAR sticker is fine.
In fact, the stickers that came with the kit or car are fine.... they are part of the hobby..... if that company pays for you to be there in any way, yea, its a problem and you shouldn't be in that class anyway.
No?
Then, sure.. a ROAR sticker is fine.
In fact, the stickers that came with the kit or car are fine.... they are part of the hobby..... if that company pays for you to be there in any way, yea, its a problem and you shouldn't be in that class anyway.
10-30-2009, 08:25 AM
#43
Whats funny is since the rules have been released, I have seen MANY people remove there sig. I wana see how there gona be able to inforce this rule. I'm willing to bet the first National has guys in the sportsman that dont belong if roar is really trying to help the sport grow by allowing the Newbie to race thats perfect!! BUT, some cant afford to race w/o any help. So they go out and promote to help cut cost and now stuck in a class they dont belong. Forced into a faster class where it cost more to compete and the fun factor is gone. Just adding a Sportsman class for the Beginers would have been perfect alone.
TC racing is already hurting, Why take such a steep step right away and not work into changes slowley. I feel current ruls are going to hurt the counts 30%+.
I totally support a Sportsman class, Just a correct way to do it w/o hurting Others would be best. Work the class in..small steps Rome was not built in a day BUT could be gone the next.
TC racing is already hurting, Why take such a steep step right away and not work into changes slowley. I feel current ruls are going to hurt the counts 30%+.
I totally support a Sportsman class, Just a correct way to do it w/o hurting Others would be best. Work the class in..small steps Rome was not built in a day BUT could be gone the next.
i think guys who get the following:
- paid to win
- get their entry paid for by the company
- get their hotel/travel costs paid by the company
shouldnt be allowed in anything except mod. i think i remember a few years back, the winner of the Reedy Race won some $$$ for winning 19T from the driver's car manufacturer. This type of driver should be in mod not stock.
now guys with "homie hook ups", "hobby shop discounts" or 50% deals should be allowed in stock and lower. guys who get paid are much more serious than the average joe.
EXACTLY!
10-30-2009, 08:34 AM
#45
You're not being punished. If you're fast enough for a company to decide to help you out with some products then you are fast enough to step up. Quit being a chicken sh*t and step up by moving up.