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Old 10-08-2008, 10:05 AM   #31
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Keeping the spirit of the class, scale realism, the final decisions on specs should be decided by each local track/organiser and should reflect the local flavor of the track/racers.

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Another point well taken!!!!!

Rather than putting in the time to come up with a national set of guidelines, each track/program should use their RCGT class to get new racers (and old retired racers....lol) back out to their respective tracks to have fun racing onroad again.

We can spend a lot of time going back and forth on specs, and what works for one track may not work for another. So for now, let's just kick around ideas on what works for your program.

Then, we can share this information here, so others can fine tune their RCGT program.

My focus has always been getting BRAND NEWracers out to actually "race", so PROMOTION at the LHS level will be the key to growth.

There is nothing like seeing a brand new racer on the track for the first time....PRICELESS!
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Old 10-08-2008, 06:51 PM   #32
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Another thing to point out that Andy brought up..

--HPI #4790 X-Pattern Radial Tire 26mm M-Compound (base spec tire)
--HPI #4495 X-Pattern Radial Belted Tire 26mm (belted tire, allows more speed)
--HPI #4490 X-Pattern Radial Belted Tire Pro Compound (belted and stickier compound for best performance)

These tires can be used as another option...all Xpattern. We have had much success with the M compounds, but this basically can make it so the larger tracks can use the belted tires and smaller run non belted. Again, when it is all decided upon. it will be all good.
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Yeah, without question to bring in new racers a track owner or organizer would have to keep it as simple as possible. Over-egineering on rules/specs and a bunch of rocket science talk definitely intimidates new guys and gals into not participating. I'm "kinda" noticing some other classes adding a little too much over-kill on the rules and specs to the point of the class not being attractive to new comers. 6 cells and a huge selection of qualified bodies, and a good tire compound selection are the big attractions that will hook new racers without a doubt. Not to mention the cool people that rep RCGT. The right formula is there

go to http://www.supergt.net to take a look at some of the cool full scale versions. Just click onto the Rounds on the left of the page and view the photo galleries.
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Old 10-10-2008, 10:33 AM   #34
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Ohhhh, Nice Link!!!!

Really nice looking rides in there....
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Old 10-10-2008, 07:17 PM   #35
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Ohhhh, Nice Link!!!!

Really nice looking rides in there....
2009 just keeps looking better and better Ray. Got 4 new guys VERY much interested in racing RCGT next season. 2 have already ordered cars. Between Vintage TA and RCGT,,,Its going to be Bizzy
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Finally able to give this report...Doing this from work.

Tested some RCGT set ups on Friday. Went out to the local park. Smooth asphalt/Black top surface. Tested with 3 different HPI bodies.
1. 200mm Mustang GTR
2. 200mm Camero SS (Modern body, not my slanted 6)
3. 190mm FD-RX7

Tires = HPI Xpattern - 1 set with foam inserts / 1 set without.

Motors = 27t / 19t brush ...I guess these could be compared to 17.5/ 10.5 BLs
I actually had to go back home to solder out and change motors...yeah I live that close to the park..1 mile..lol.
Ran 6 Cell 4600 NIMH packs.
I used cones to simulate different track patterns at different back straight lengths.

I was Focusing more on handling differences as far as aero and tires more so than that of actual speed.

Results...On the small track layout with the 27T The only difference came by way of the tires. The tires with the inserts delt with the sharper corners better due to lack of scrub. The Tires without the inserts seemed to give me more straight away punch and forward bite. I really couldn't feel or tell the difference in any areo involvement with the different bodies. All appeared to be quick.. Maybe a little more turn and straight away stabilization in the 190mm FD RX7 which has a extended front lip/defuser which helps with front downforce. The FD body also has small trench in the roof like that of the old Matt Francis Triple XT bodies. I never noticed that until today.

When it came to the Big track layouts with a much longer back straight, yeah, THIS is were the aero/and downforce came into play. I ran the 3 bodies with the 19t / 4600 NIMHs. By The Way This Go-Power Set Up Was FAST, and I believe its about as Fast as things need to be for RCGT on Larger tracks. Wouldn't recommend this go-power set up to new or inexperienced racers...On inserts, The 200 mm Mustang actually felt as if it wanted to lift. The mustang did this on the non insert tires as well. I put a couple of washers under the rear wing to boost it higher above the Mustang's roof, stayed with the insert tires, and the car stabled out and became a little more managable at higher speed. The 200mm Camero SS body Delt with the high speed REAL well without any adjustments. The 190mm FD RX7 Body was glued and stable as well, and did provide more initial high speed turn than the other two. No aero-push out of the turns. Maybe a little oversteer coming off the turns.
All bodies seem to work well. The Mustang calmed down after raising the rear spoiler a bit. The Camero SS was comfortable. I'd say the FD RX7 delt with both track layouts the best. Just some small testing, but every little bit helps ... I still think Driving styles and skills will be the final say so, no matter what body shell you run with. Yes, New or Inexperienced racers should definitely run everything on the Stock side of the fence.
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Old 10-13-2008, 09:48 AM   #36
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How about this suggestion....

Having RACE TEAMS with the same paintschemes...those who wanna have a race team race other race teams in RCGT USA. Kinda like a Le Mans 24 hour enduro? Make it a 2.4 hour Rc Enduro. Just throwing ideas out there.....
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I'm absolutely loving that idea Charlie B. That just puts even more fun into things. I participated in an oval enduro race way back when. Teams of 4. Till this day, I think that was the best race I've ever been involved in. A 2.4 hour enduro race? Now that would be a serious blast! Maybe a great idea for 09 HPI/RCGT challenges...The team deal sounds cool!
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Having RACE TEAMS with the same paintschemes...those who wanna have a race team race other race teams in RCGT USA. Kinda like a Le Mans 24 hour enduro? Make it a 2.4 hour Rc Enduro. Just throwing ideas out there.....
SWEET! TEAM DRIVING!

I'd do this...cuz, you know, I have 10,000 cars and only use 6 of them...
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Having RACE TEAMS with the same paintschemes...those who wanna have a race team race other race teams in RCGT USA. Kinda like a Le Mans 24 hour enduro? Make it a 2.4 hour Rc Enduro. Just throwing ideas out there.....
We did an endurance race once called the "FuNnY FoUR HouRs oF Raytona" and I can see a encore performance in 09....LOL
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Here in California, we have been running RCGT in four local tracks with much success as well as a couple of BIG trophy races since it's introduction at the beginning of the year. Because of it's low initial start up costs, it has become one of the most popular classes here in Southern Cal.
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Speedtech RC, San Gabriel, Ca
La Mirada Raceway, La Mirada, Ca
Ultimate Hobbies, Orange, Ca
Hobbytown Corona, Corona, Ca
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So when is this all going to happen ?? Team racing sounds like Fun !!!
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We did an endurance race once called the "FuNnY FoUR HouRs oF Raytona" and I can see a encore performance in 09....LOL
LOL..."Four Hours Of Raytona"... I like that! Gotta put that on the 09 Agenda Ray
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LOL..."Four Hours Of Raytona"... I like that! Gotta put that on the 09 Agenda Ray
not too say that everyone one needs lipo and brushless...

but when that combo, you should be able to do a 4 hour race withouth issue well assuming, you have a couple of spare packs per driver

I've done a bunch of enduros in my day - from a single car per team (mini-z) to 4 drivers/4cars, and the oddest things ALWAYS happens

But they are fun as hell
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We did an endurance race once called the "FuNnY FoUR HouRs oF Raytona" and I can see a encore performance in 09....LOL
and don't forgot about the soggy three hours of raytona the following year

ahhh the fun we had at the Alpine with Nitro cars
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