Got some more ideas to throw out there for the series
Ok guys here is some more additional thoughts for the coming series. This a suggestion I got from another racer:
The Race Format for Saturday:
Qualifier will be five minutes long. There will be three qualifiers for each class including 1/7 scale, and marshalling is mandatory for all participants.
The Mains will be: for the A-main 30 minutes; the b-main will be 15 minutes: and C-main will be 10 minutes for all 1/5 scale classes respectively.
To ensure there is no misunderstanding between GT and Super Sedan a very simple way to determine this....Super Sedan must have a defined four doors car and the GT will have only two doors. And of course Formula 1 and open wheel formula or Indy style bodies.
Rain date will be the on Sunday (the next day), the racing format will be two qualifiers at 5 minutes long and the A-main will be 20 minutes; the B-main will be 10 minutes. The reason for this is because the rain date might fall on a Sunday which the Nitro' are schedule to run......and we will be running our mains first hopefully.
Tech Inspect will be random, and will be more formal inspection as the series progress to prepare everyone for the Nationals. All cars can be formally inspected by the race director and/or the tech inspector at any time.
There has been some talk about racing under caution flag when there is an accident on the track for the safety of the Marshalls......which mean for every one to slow down and hold their positions or stop so the person can safely rescue the car and returning to their marshalling spot. It might be mandatory for all Marshall to wear gloves for their safety to protect their hands.
Lastly, The A-main might have bump ups or combination of two classes racing together. For example, the winner of the B-main will bump up to run with the A-main drivers (it is my hope to have no less than 8 drivers in the A-main)
Combination of mains means there will A-main which will include the A-main qualifiers from the Super sedan and the GT class running together. for example to make a 10 car field for 30 minutes the top 6 super sedan are running with the top 4 or five GT drivers.
these were the ideas and suggestion I got from various drivers over the pass days. I welcome your comments and concerns.
I think they all sound like good ideas... I like the idea of not running the same day with the foam tire classes because I really believe that they affect our traction.
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Hey guys, I understand that this Sunday it is going to 58 degrees....hint...hint. If any one is going to visit the track this Sunday please let me know. So it sounds like a good time to take advanage of the weather. Let me know.
After reading on how you want to run your qualifying sessions I think you will run into some problems. Out here, we tried to run a yellow flag in a five minute qualifier and it did not work very well. This only pertains to multiple heats of qualifiers. For a single heat, it works fine. Here is why:
You have two heats of STC. Heat 1 and heat 2. 3 round of each is run for the day and at the end, you have your grid. In Heat 1, R1 racer x ends up with a 10 lap run. In Heat 2 R1, racer y is on a 11 lap run when a slower car misses a corner and brings out the yellow flag. At the end of the heat, racer y only turns a 8 lap run. For the rest of the day similar things happen and racer y never gets a clean run and does not TQ. The rest of the grid is skewed because of the yellow flags. Now I feel this is unfair to all of the racers.
But there is a solution to this. What we did is contact the software maker and request that during the qualifiers the “Best n laps” will count to the outcome. We had a 10 minute qualifier with no warm up. You just got out there and ran around for 10 minutes and at the end, the software would display out the results. We used best 3 laps for this value. This way the yellow flags did not make any difference during the day.
After reading on how you want to run your qualifying sessions I think you will run into some problems. Out here, we tried to run a yellow flag in a five minute qualifier and it did not work very well. This only pertains to multiple heats of qualifiers. For a single heat, it works fine. Here is why:
You have two heats of STC. Heat 1 and heat 2. 3 round of each is run for the day and at the end, you have your grid. In Heat 1, R1 racer x ends up with a 10 lap run. In Heat 2 R1, racer y is on a 11 lap run when a slower car misses a corner and brings out the yellow flag. At the end of the heat, racer y only turns a 8 lap run. For the rest of the day similar things happen and racer y never gets a clean run and does not TQ. The rest of the grid is skewed because of the yellow flags. Now I feel this is unfair to all of the racers.
But there is a solution to this. What we did is contact the software maker and request that during the qualifiers the “Best n laps” will count to the outcome. We had a 10 minute qualifier with no warm up. You just got out there and ran around for 10 minutes and at the end, the software would display out the results. We used best 3 laps for this value. This way the yellow flags did not make any difference during the day.
I hope this helps,
Ronbo
I too, was worried about the yellow flags in qualifying. Not so much in the mains, but definitely in the quals. The "best x laps" solution sounds great. It would add another dimension to qualifying and would limit the impact of the yellows. I spoke with Scott this morning and he wasn't opposed to the idea. He said it would make it interesting and I agree. Anyone have any other thoughts on the subject?
In the pass there a group of racers who put on park-lot races in a recreational center (they still exsist in a way) they were called "Fast Lane" My point is that qualifying was done similar to what Ron was suggesting. the computer was set up for 15 minutes qualifying sessions, within that 15 minutes the computer keep a record of your fastest five consecutive laps and average it to your qualifying time. there were some advanages to the standing this way.....drivers could return to the pits for adjustment and come back out on the track. Leaning it out or changing tires for example track side). So this type of qualifying isn't that different.....but there were some major draw backs because of the skills level of the racers mostly.
Almost like F1 qualifying. Personally, I'm all for it. The least we could do is give it a try. My thoughts are that it could actually benefit the less experienced drivers. Here's why. A new driver might be able to put in a few fast laps during a qualifying session, but won't have the consistency to it every lap and with the standard form of qualifying he would be lower on the grid. With the "best x laps" system, he has the opportunity to move up on the grid by putting in say, 3, fast laps as opposed to 11. Just my 2 cents. But Carlton, I couldn't tell by your post if you think it's a good idea or not. What were the drawbacks?
so because the 1/5 scale class laps slower than the 1/10th and 1/8th scale cars, would it be feasible to instead race under a lap count vs a time frame? that way, if you do pull the yellow flags out for the saftey of the marshals, it wouldnt matter...you would still have a TQ and a fastest lap of the race...but in a big crash, or crash that damages a car, puts debris on the track, or car that needs pit repairs, it brings the grid back together for exciting racing...just a though....
maybe I'll bring my Porsche and make everyone else jealous.
Yeah weather is supposed to be better than its been in a while. It may be time for me to show my face in Maryland again. Glad to see the track is still going strong and even growing classes
Yeah weather is supposed to be better than its been in a while. It may be time for me to show my face in Maryland again. Glad to see the track is still going strong and even growing classes
Are you coming this weekend??? We should be there at noon, more than likely Sat and Sunday.
Are you coming this weekend??? We should be there at noon, more than likely Sat and Sunday.
You suck. Still have snow and ice up here. Might have to take a trip south this weekend! Please give a report on both cars when you get home. And some pics!
I have to annouced a report of the Sunday running of 1/5 scale cars. I have to tell you all that I am very proud of LuisR. He has only been involved in 1/5 scale r/c racing in less than a year and he has builted what he calls a "frankinstien car" from parts from various different models but most of an FG foundation and it is own design. I am speaking about his short wheel based porsche.
And he has placed some stickers on the body and it look racey. But besides looking good, the car performs. This car captured everyones attending at 301raceway. Each time LuisR took this red demon for a test drive people could not help but to stop working and find a place against the fence to see this car perform. Watching his creations going around the track with the speed and handling as if it was hot sunny day with no problem with traction or lacking of speed!
I am so proud to have recruited such an hobbist LuisR into this hobby from the first day we met he continue to amaze me. All I can say is GT class look out for this prosche.
I have to annouced a report of the Sunday running of 1/5 scale cars. I have to tell you all that I am very proud of LuisR. He has only been involved in 1/5 scale r/c racing in less than a year and he has builted what he calls a "frankinstien car" from parts from various different models but most of an FG foundation and it is own design. I am speaking about his short wheel based porsche.
And he has placed some stickers on the body and it look racey. But besides looking good, the car performs. This car captured everyones attending at 301raceway. Each time LuisR took this red demon for a test drive people could not help but to stop working and find a place against the fence to see this car perform. Watching his creations going around the track with the speed and handling as if it was hot sunny day with no problem with traction or lacking of speed!
I am so proud to have recruited such an hobbist LuisR into this hobby from the first day we met he continue to amaze me. All I can say is GT class look out for this prosche.
Thanks Carlton, and I need to thank you for being there that day working on your 1/5 scale car when I took my tamiya TGX car and saw those 1/5 scale cars for the first time....
In regards to the GT class, it is going to be more difficult than I though, given that Brian is going full throttle with his GT..., but hey, I'll try to make it difficult for him...
Got some more ideas to throw out there for the series
Might have to take a trip south this weekend! Please give a report on both cars when you get home. And some pics!
, but hey, I'll try to make it difficult for him...
