1/10th pan car

[Gilligan]

Good call, guys. I still have a few Nissan '92 P35 unpainted bodies on hand and I do like them, particularly more so than the Nissan GTP Coup. They are quite old, however, and the lexan appears brittle to me - in the least it's quite hard. I still use them myslef, though. I was also particulary fond of the Peugot 905B HD so it would be great to see them produced again. I will follow up for sure and post here if I can.

Phil

[Grenade10]

I'm in for a couple of the PewJoe's HD if they become available.

Phil, the Toyota bodies get to you? Mailing at the holidays really seams to screw up shipping times.

[Pro ten Holland]

I have access to fresh P-35's if you need them.

We can also get Hot Bodies Toyota and Nissan here.
Also a popular though hideous choice around here is the Serpent Porsche 962.

[trackdesigner71]

Pro Ten, have you had a chance to talk to Speedx971 of late? I know a couple years ago he put together that event in France where they ran Pro10 and Touring and I believe 12th scale, but really I havent seen him around much of late.

[Pro ten Holland]

We had a great race that year.
I haven't heard from him since.

[PADIRTLMJUNKIE]

RC10L4? Im a noobie and have raced a few times at the local track.
I run 48p as it was set up that way with extras when I got it. The guys their have set my rollout for me as I dont get it yet.

First can someone explain how to gear and get a [ROLLOUT]. They said get some calipers to measure tire size and I forget the rest. I ran 48p 81ts 19tp with worn tires. Need help in simple terms to understand.
Also all but myself and the guy who helps me run 64p.

As of this week everyone is going brushless 13.5 from the stock27t. They have a base set up at a 98ts 34tp to a 36tp, they said they had to put in a small spur so the brushless motors fit without hitting the shock spring.
I havnt switched yet due to $$ but how do I figure 48p off those numbers? They said its a 64.31 baseline. what does that mean?
Also what are the advantages to 64p over 48p? I realy dont want to trash all my new 48p stuff .

Raced four times and my esc and motors are useless. Wish I new then that stockers were on the way out at our track when I got the car. Also wish I had the $$ to throw away like most guys at the track. They said brushless will save money in the longhall. It blows for me as of now.Thanks for any help!!!!!!!!!!

[Pro ten Holland]

PADIRTLMJUNKIE, I edited your post to make it a little easier to read.
Here's some answers for you:
Rollout is defined as the distance your car travel at a single rotation of the motor.
So a rollout of say 30mm means that your car will travel 30mm when the motor has rotated 1 full time.

To understand rollout you need at least to have seen it being calculated once:
Rollout can be calculated as follows: take the rear tire diameter, say 55mm.
Multiply by Pi (3.14) = 172.70 .
Divide this number by the number of teeth on your spur gear, in your case 81 = 2.13
Multiply this by number of teeth on your pinion, in yoy case 19 = 40.5.

This means your car will travel 40.5mm each time your motor turns.


Each motor has an optimal rollout, depending on the number of cells you run, track size and small things as springs and brushes type on the motor etc.
If your car runs well at a rollout 40.5mm, you can best print yourself a rollout chart at www.gearchart.com.

Click on gearchart creator, then select pancar 10th or 12th scale, than click on target rollout chart in the middle of the screen.
Enter spur pinion gear and tire diameter. or the tire diameter use the diameter of a halfway worn rear tire, somewhere around 55mm.
Click on rollout and a gearchart is created.

Now you can keep your rollout constant for a contantly fast car by simply measuring your rear tire diameter every other run and adjust pinion size to keep as close to your optimal rollout as possible.


Now for 48pitch vs 64pitch.
64 pitch is more eficient than 48 pitch due to the fine teeth size, but only to a very small degree.
64 pitch is also way more fragile becuase the small teeth will strip more easily.
I wouldn't bother to switch for now, maybe when you find that you just need that small last little bit extra to win the nationals.

As a last for the brushed vs brushless.
If you gear your brushed motor correctly, and keep the motor in good concition, you will be just as fast as the brushless guys.
The main advantage of the brushless setup is that it requires less maintainance and makes for longer runtimes.

The less maintainance part is where it is less expensive. You don't need to buy fresh brushes every now and then, true the motor's comm etc.
Again: a good brushless will be just as fast as a well maintained brushed, so no worries there.

[MarkA]

Originally Posted by Pro ten Holland

Now for 48pitch vs 64pitch.
64 pitch is more eficient than 48 pitch due to the fine teeth size, but only to a very small degree.
64 pitch is also way more fragile becuase the small teeth will strip more easily.
I wouldn't bother to switch for now, maybe when you find that you just need that small last little bit extra to win the nationals.

Just to add, for Oval, you'll find yourself going to 64p sooner due to a greater need to hit an "exact" rollout as gearing is much more critical there than in roadcourse. As well, in Oval racing, you should be less likely to have a car take out your spur gear from behind and less likely to run over a corner dot or whatnot.

[Grenade10]

Well fellow 1/10 scale pan car racers, I have aquired a nice collection of 235 bodies. I'm not going to be parting with any soon, but I wanted to ask a question. (If I sell some, this will be the site with first option)

Of the Nissan P-35, I have a Proto-Form, Associated and Hot Bodies. Which would be the best for outside pavement 6 cell modified?

I also have a few PewJoe's std, TOJ's by Bolink, S&K Lotech, Andy's Jag's .... and I'll have look at what else. So lets talk about what bodies work well.

[Boomer]

Protoform P-35 was most balanced. It originally was our favorite with both 6-cell stock and 6-cell Mod. We did find that at absolute top speed (70mph+) the back tended to buckle a bit so we cut out the slots (outlined) to relieve some of the pressure and they worked great.

Associated was very high downforce and suffered at high speeds because of it. It was very maneuverable but did not have the top speed of the PF. It did last longer as they tended to have a heavier lexan. I didn't like them much - me want speed!

Hot Bodies (if it's the one I think) was to the other end of the spectrum. Less downforce so huge top speed, but less maneuverable than the PF. I loved it, but went through fronts as if I were running Whites instead of Green.

The standard Peugeot (Protoform) was a great update to the PF P-35 - slightly faster top speed but still very good downforce. Not quite as good as the P-35, but marginally so. FAVORITE body!

Andy's Jag - higher downforce - less than the AE P-35, but more than the PF P-35.

Don't know about the others. . .

[Pro ten Holland]

The Hot Bodies Nissan GTP is very high downforce, which can be made even more by cutting away several of the outlined openings and adding the supplied front nerf wings and extra rear wing.

The front corners are very fragile though, and the body is ugly-wide (al,ost as wide on the front as on the back).

The Assoc Nissan is slightly lower downforce (still med-high)
The Protoform P-35 I would rate as medium downforce. Very well balanced with the area under the rear wing gone as outlined by Boomer.
I run one with the supplied spoiler extension. It wors very well.

The Peugeot from Protoform would also classify as medium in my book, just a tad more steering than the P-35.

So it all depends on car, track, horsepower and driving style.
The trend around here is to bolt on all downforce you can find to make the cars easier to drive with todays high power brushless motors.

[thirdplace]

I'd like to buy one of them P35s. Insane car. Velodrone.

[Grenade10]

Originally Posted by thirdplace

I'd like to buy one of them P35s. Insane car. Velodrone.

I'll post here if I get something worked out on the Proto-Form, that is the one you were thinking about correct?

[thirdplace]

Yep, Thanks

[Oasis]

Hows the Proto-form Peugeot 905B..still have one..new in the bag..
Whats up Richard..long time..