Need some opinion- Alpha VS HPI VS Novarossi
03-28-2012, 06:37 PM
#31
Mike
03-28-2012, 07:49 PM
#32
what do you consider top i have no issues with alpha or go ive bought and sold for my local bashers i wouldnt put them in the same level as Nova or OS may reasons quailty is consistent also materials and carb ask the people that sell a varity of engines not the guys the only sell on exclusive brand. As i stated go and alpha are all good engines but are at a different level from others
03-28-2012, 07:59 PM
#33
If every tenth Alpha or current Go were a dud, you'd hear about it on the various forums. It is simply not the case. China/Taiwan might have had some quality issues 5-6 years ago, but at least with Alpha, Go, Argus, etc.. it's just not the case anymore(that goes for all manufacturing too, not just RC..) And there are even some threads around with people having encountered quality issues with Novarossi. OS VSPECs had conrod issues some years ago.. Italian does not automatically mean better anymore.. It does though mean MUCH more expensive replacement parts if you need them. IMVHO opinion you can buy an Alpha and have zero reservations about it. The A852 is meant to be a serious monster power-wise too.. The only complaint - if you want to call it that - that you see with them is that they are maybe a bit too powerful...
Whatever the case, I just don't think there are really that many bad engines out there anymore. There are so many that are good value-for-money - from the Novarossi P5 to the Go GXII to the whole range of Alphas to Werks, etc.. The selection is huge, and only those with vested interests or those who have settled into a Ford-vs.-Chevy kind of mentality keep repeating the old mantras that it has to be Novarossi, or it has to be OS, or whatever else..
Whatever the case, I just don't think there are really that many bad engines out there anymore. There are so many that are good value-for-money - from the Novarossi P5 to the Go GXII to the whole range of Alphas to Werks, etc.. The selection is huge, and only those with vested interests or those who have settled into a Ford-vs.-Chevy kind of mentality keep repeating the old mantras that it has to be Novarossi, or it has to be OS, or whatever else..
03-28-2012, 08:46 PM
#34
How do you know this do you buy 50-100 ENGINES from different companies how can you go against a person like houston which deals with high volume i would think he knows what hes talking about. You always say dont do this or this isnt good but half the time you have never owned nor ran therefore your posting are one sided. Ok we get your a buy one get one free type of guy which isnt bad but your references are far off.
Monty has said "that is exactly why i dont deal with taiwan engines". So who in their right minds would send a taiwanese engine to him? Therefore, how would he know the failure rate of taiwanese engines? Heresay?
03-28-2012, 10:48 PM
#35
How do you know this do you buy 50-100 ENGINES from different companies how can you go against a person like houston which deals with high volume i would think he knows what hes talking about. You always say dont do this or this isnt good but half the time you have never owned nor ran therefore your posting are one sided. Ok we get your a buy one get one free type of guy which isnt bad but your references are far off.
And no, I haven't owned every engine under the sun. I don't think you need to though to have a feel for what's what. And though, no, you can't base opinions entirely off forums, there ARE tons of guys with Alphas over the past years who have been thrilled and had great experience with them - in various languages and on various continents. AND including guys who have switched over from Nova. And no that's nothing against Nova. Just coming back to that same point - Alpha is not bad because it comes from Taiwan. And for an awful lot of people, they're not bad at all, but on the contrary very, very good.
Last edited by Herrsavage; 03-28-2012 at 11:00 PM.
03-28-2012, 11:41 PM
#36
i think that engine is same as ofna jl .21 with hpi head
03-28-2012, 11:54 PM
#37
I've never said, nor would I ever say, that he doesn't know engines. All I'm saying is that writing off Alpha just because it's from Taiwan is misguided - very IMO.
And no, I haven't owned every engine under the sun. I don't think you need to though to have a feel for what's what. And though, no, you can't base opinions entirely off forums, there ARE tons of guys with Alphas over the past years who have been thrilled and had great experience with them - in various languages and on various continents. AND including guys who have switched over from Nova. And no that's nothing against Nova. Just coming back to that same point - Alpha is not bad because it comes from Taiwan. And for an awful lot of people, they're not bad at all, but on the contrary very, very good.
And no, I haven't owned every engine under the sun. I don't think you need to though to have a feel for what's what. And though, no, you can't base opinions entirely off forums, there ARE tons of guys with Alphas over the past years who have been thrilled and had great experience with them - in various languages and on various continents. AND including guys who have switched over from Nova. And no that's nothing against Nova. Just coming back to that same point - Alpha is not bad because it comes from Taiwan. And for an awful lot of people, they're not bad at all, but on the contrary very, very good.
03-29-2012, 07:12 AM
#39
Tech Master
Just wondering, why dos guys in thos thread say that they change carbs from xxx to Novā?
Think abaout it, maybe it is the higher quality in Nova parts?...
Think abaout it, maybe it is the higher quality in Nova parts?...
03-29-2012, 06:06 PM
#40
If every tenth Alpha or current Go were a dud, you'd hear about it on the various forums. It is simply not the case. China/Taiwan might have had some quality issues 5-6 years ago, but at least with Alpha, Go, Argus, etc.. it's just not the case anymore(that goes for all manufacturing too, not just RC..) And there are even some threads around with people having encountered quality issues with Novarossi. OS VSPECs had conrod issues some years ago.. Italian does not automatically mean better anymore.. It does though mean MUCH more expensive replacement parts if you need them. IMVHO opinion you can buy an Alpha and have zero reservations about it. The A852 is meant to be a serious monster power-wise too.. The only complaint - if you want to call it that - that you see with them is that they are maybe a bit too powerful...
Whatever the case, I just don't think there are really that many bad engines out there anymore. There are so many that are good value-for-money - from the Novarossi P5 to the Go GXII to the whole range of Alphas to Werks, etc.. The selection is huge, and only those with vested interests or those who have settled into a Ford-vs.-Chevy kind of mentality keep repeating the old mantras that it has to be Novarossi, or it has to be OS, or whatever else..
Whatever the case, I just don't think there are really that many bad engines out there anymore. There are so many that are good value-for-money - from the Novarossi P5 to the Go GXII to the whole range of Alphas to Werks, etc.. The selection is huge, and only those with vested interests or those who have settled into a Ford-vs.-Chevy kind of mentality keep repeating the old mantras that it has to be Novarossi, or it has to be OS, or whatever else..
Very well said my friend
03-29-2012, 06:43 PM
#41
03-29-2012, 07:56 PM
#42
Tech Master
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The 1 and only draw back to the Alpha motors and if you own a Alpha you know this is true, is the EXTREME amount of pinch on the motor. I have every Alpha motor except for the .23 and the .28 and ALL of them had a ton of pinch for break in. So preheating is pretty much a must, unless you want to put alot of stress on the rod or other parts. Usually I would and still do(when I use them) allow my heater to stay on them for extended times before starting them. Another mistake I see alot of people making with the Alphas is they tend to tune the top first. From my experience they like the bottom tuned first and set then get your top. Usually get your bottom tuned in the top is usually just a turn of 3 to 4 hours on the top. And my oldest or most used motor has 6 gallons on it and it is still running strong. But in my opinion for a buggy an F-850(red head) or the 852 either of the 3 models but I myself prefer the A model in truggy paired with a 2090 pipe and you have a very very deadly combo.
I am in no way saying Alpha is better then any other as myself at this time and mainly running Fusion motors. I am just going off the experience I have had with the Alpha motors. If you break it in correctly you will have a strong and happy motor. But for the money if you tring to run a budget motor I would say look at either Alpha or the Fusion line. either way I don't think you can or would go wrong.
I am in no way saying Alpha is better then any other as myself at this time and mainly running Fusion motors. I am just going off the experience I have had with the Alpha motors. If you break it in correctly you will have a strong and happy motor. But for the money if you tring to run a budget motor I would say look at either Alpha or the Fusion line. either way I don't think you can or would go wrong.
Last edited by bobbyc1127; 03-30-2012 at 05:46 AM.
03-29-2012, 10:16 PM
#44
For this year I have a Nosram (Jammin JPX 21 twin basically, i.e. Picco) I'm breaking in at the moment, and a Fire 11 NIB, so we'll see how they go.. (Yeah yeah all the Italian talk made me want to see for myself.. Still, if I were going to get another new engine this year, it'd probably be an Alpha or Argus..) So far the Nosram has been ..... OK to break in, but not what I would call a piece of cake compared to some others.. My last Nosram(bought used) held a tune great so you never really needed to adjust it, but the tuning window was very, very narrow...(great engine btw..)
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