Werks b5 "race prep" motor
#1
Werks b5 "race prep" motor
Partly broken in by factory.....
Is it worth it? Do they preheat it well so the rod if not stressed? Or is it just fired up, idled at any old temp for a few tanks and then shipped?
They claim it is inspected before and after break-in - it is a glance to see it doesn't have a 1" long drill shaving in there or is it INSPECTED ?
Can anyone shed some light on it?
Hard to decide between a Werks B5 race prep, and an OS V-spec when there is like $40 or something between them.
I suspect the OS is a whole lot more engine, and the Werks race prep is more about marketing and a bit of a fire-up, rather than a scientific careful break-in and x-raying parts and measuring conrod length and precise piston to bore fit. ???
Is it worth it? Do they preheat it well so the rod if not stressed? Or is it just fired up, idled at any old temp for a few tanks and then shipped?
They claim it is inspected before and after break-in - it is a glance to see it doesn't have a 1" long drill shaving in there or is it INSPECTED ?
Can anyone shed some light on it?
Hard to decide between a Werks B5 race prep, and an OS V-spec when there is like $40 or something between them.
I suspect the OS is a whole lot more engine, and the Werks race prep is more about marketing and a bit of a fire-up, rather than a scientific careful break-in and x-raying parts and measuring conrod length and precise piston to bore fit. ???
Last edited by Mark _australia; 08-11-2011 at 10:45 PM.
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Why do you think / suspect the V-spec is "a whole lot more engine"?
The Werks B5 is a populair powerfull long lasting engine. Probably more engine then the V-spec (power wise).
The Werks B5 is a populair powerfull long lasting engine. Probably more engine then the V-spec (power wise).
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Here is how hte break in is done.
I have RCRenew do all my break-ins and it is well worth it..
Here is how hte break in is done.
I have RCRenew do all my break-ins and it is well worth it..
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And thanks KThatcher - nice to know how it is done. I'd still like to know what "inspect" means though. Any Werks or RCRenew people here?
Ta
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Mark
I would stay in the OS camp with you being up near Jurien bay most shops in Perth have the Parts in stock if you need some thing in a hurry. Werks is a great engine but tune very different to the OS. There is an Australia Distributor in QLD bringing some Werks gear in if you are interested....pro buggy is the name of the store in QLD..
I would stay in the OS camp with you being up near Jurien bay most shops in Perth have the Parts in stock if you need some thing in a hurry. Werks is a great engine but tune very different to the OS. There is an Australia Distributor in QLD bringing some Werks gear in if you are interested....pro buggy is the name of the store in QLD..
#6
Thanks Jason
But I am looking at cheap and $260 to my door for a B5 part run in and supposedly "inspected" means less problems later maybe (?) and the price is nice
Only investigating at this stage, in case my WS7II I bought secondhand turns out to be a POS lol. Other options will be a good good secondhand motor from somebody trustworthy at RRC so I m not yet committed
But I am looking at cheap and $260 to my door for a B5 part run in and supposedly "inspected" means less problems later maybe (?) and the price is nice
Only investigating at this stage, in case my WS7II I bought secondhand turns out to be a POS lol. Other options will be a good good secondhand motor from somebody trustworthy at RRC so I m not yet committed
#7
Well OK maybe it was a bit of a harsh comment . I just see a whole lot more people using the V-spec worldwide whereas Werks seem predominantly a USA thing. Not saying the Werks is bad, just there is so many more people running it which would suggest it may be better... if the Werks was better a lot of those people would go out of their way to order one from the USA
And thanks KThatcher - nice to know how it is done. I'd still like to know what "inspect" means though. Any Werks or RCRenew people here?
Ta
And thanks KThatcher - nice to know how it is done. I'd still like to know what "inspect" means though. Any Werks or RCRenew people here?
Ta
Now to answer your question from the first post the stock B5 makes more power than the standard V-Spec or it's replacement. For our "Race Prep" engines the process from start to finish is the engine is taken apart and cleaned and inspected, then lubed and assembled. Engine is then installed in an engine break in bench, engine is pre heated, then started and the bench automatically runs a pre-programmed break in routine (it's computer controlled) varying RPM, time at certain RPM's etc. etc. for 500cc of fuel. Then engine is taken out of bench, taken apart, inspected again, lubed again and boxed up/shipped out. Honestly it's quite a bit of work and I hope that helps explain things a little better!
Regards,
Ron
#8
Thanks Ron
I did have to laugh when you said about people having to try something different cos peopel can be funny like that. When I joined a buggy club in about 1999-2000 I bought an OS motor and as a noob had no idea. Just got what the LHS was a quality race motor. EVERYBODY at the club rubbished the engine and said I had to have a Nova like their. 90% of them ran Nova and would not even think about OS. After along break I have visited the club and so many of them are running OS now. Hmmmmm Gotta be open minded.
I appreciate a reply from the owner which is a rarity with bigger companies so I will definitely consider a Werks more strongly now.
But sorry you still didn't answer one question - what is inspected?
I'd like to be reassured that "inspected" means less problems later.
Like if you said the conrod was measured for length and bushing size / play, or the crank checked for balance and runout / concentricity.
Or if you said as result of inspection a certain percentage of motors are thrown in the bin.
Are the seals replaced - cos every time it is torn down is one less time I can tear it down without needing new seals.
Inspected could just mean a visual to make sure the bore is not scratched and nothing is visually wrong - which is a bit subjective.
I did have to laugh when you said about people having to try something different cos peopel can be funny like that. When I joined a buggy club in about 1999-2000 I bought an OS motor and as a noob had no idea. Just got what the LHS was a quality race motor. EVERYBODY at the club rubbished the engine and said I had to have a Nova like their. 90% of them ran Nova and would not even think about OS. After along break I have visited the club and so many of them are running OS now. Hmmmmm Gotta be open minded.
I appreciate a reply from the owner which is a rarity with bigger companies so I will definitely consider a Werks more strongly now.
But sorry you still didn't answer one question - what is inspected?
I'd like to be reassured that "inspected" means less problems later.
Like if you said the conrod was measured for length and bushing size / play, or the crank checked for balance and runout / concentricity.
Or if you said as result of inspection a certain percentage of motors are thrown in the bin.
Are the seals replaced - cos every time it is torn down is one less time I can tear it down without needing new seals.
Inspected could just mean a visual to make sure the bore is not scratched and nothing is visually wrong - which is a bit subjective.
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That is obviously Werks B5 race prep
Partly broken in by factory.....
Is it worth it? Do they preheat it well so the rod if not stressed? Or is it just fired up, idled at any old temp for a few tanks and then shipped?
They claim it is inspected before and after break-in - it is a glance to see it doesn't have a 1" long drill shaving in there or is it INSPECTED ?
Can anyone shed some light on it?
Hard to decide between a Werks B5 race prep, and an OS V-spec when there is like $40 or something between them.
I suspect the OS is a whole lot more engine, and the Werks race prep is more about marketing and a bit of a fire-up, rather than a scientific careful break-in and x-raying parts and measuring conrod length and precise piston to bore fit. ???
That is obviously Werks B5 race prep
Partly broken in by factory.....
Is it worth it? Do they preheat it well so the rod if not stressed? Or is it just fired up, idled at any old temp for a few tanks and then shipped?
They claim it is inspected before and after break-in - it is a glance to see it doesn't have a 1" long drill shaving in there or is it INSPECTED ?
Can anyone shed some light on it?
Hard to decide between a Werks B5 race prep, and an OS V-spec when there is like $40 or something between them.
I suspect the OS is a whole lot more engine, and the Werks race prep is more about marketing and a bit of a fire-up, rather than a scientific careful break-in and x-raying parts and measuring conrod length and precise piston to bore fit. ???
#10
Thanks Ron
I did have to laugh when you said about people having to try something different cos peopel can be funny like that. When I joined a buggy club in about 1999-2000 I bought an OS motor and as a noob had no idea. Just got what the LHS was a quality race motor. EVERYBODY at the club rubbished the engine and said I had to have a Nova like their. 90% of them ran Nova and would not even think about OS. After along break I have visited the club and so many of them are running OS now. Hmmmmm Gotta be open minded.
I appreciate a reply from the owner which is a rarity with bigger companies so I will definitely consider a Werks more strongly now.
But sorry you still didn't answer one question - what is inspected?
I'd like to be reassured that "inspected" means less problems later.
Like if you said the conrod was measured for length and bushing size / play, or the crank checked for balance and runout / concentricity.
Or if you said as result of inspection a certain percentage of motors are thrown in the bin.
Are the seals replaced - cos every time it is torn down is one less time I can tear it down without needing new seals.
Inspected could just mean a visual to make sure the bore is not scratched and nothing is visually wrong - which is a bit subjective.
I did have to laugh when you said about people having to try something different cos peopel can be funny like that. When I joined a buggy club in about 1999-2000 I bought an OS motor and as a noob had no idea. Just got what the LHS was a quality race motor. EVERYBODY at the club rubbished the engine and said I had to have a Nova like their. 90% of them ran Nova and would not even think about OS. After along break I have visited the club and so many of them are running OS now. Hmmmmm Gotta be open minded.
I appreciate a reply from the owner which is a rarity with bigger companies so I will definitely consider a Werks more strongly now.
But sorry you still didn't answer one question - what is inspected?
I'd like to be reassured that "inspected" means less problems later.
Like if you said the conrod was measured for length and bushing size / play, or the crank checked for balance and runout / concentricity.
Or if you said as result of inspection a certain percentage of motors are thrown in the bin.
Are the seals replaced - cos every time it is torn down is one less time I can tear it down without needing new seals.
Inspected could just mean a visual to make sure the bore is not scratched and nothing is visually wrong - which is a bit subjective.
Regards,
Ron
#14
Sweet.
I'm getting there
I'm getting there
#15
i brought a werks and its should be getting to my door in about a week its going in to the truggy i got with the matching pipe
i am looking at buying a other one soon i get some cash to put it in my buggy
i am looking at buying a other one soon i get some cash to put it in my buggy