Why are Nitro Engines so expensive?
11-22-2010, 07:22 PM
#17
+1...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, nitro is cheap in my opinion compared to electric, you by a new brushless system for 250 to 300.00 and it goes up in flames, you are out 250 to 300.00, you break a rod in nitro you are out 40.00 to 60.00, guy at local track flamed 2 esc's at 200.00 a peice, he should have bought a nitro...lmao
11-22-2010, 11:29 PM
#20
No kidding, while at the worlds I was told by some one that an exact copy of our B7-Pro engine design was being sold by a certain asian company under another brand name with an orange head on it lol! (I'll let you take a guess as to which brand that is). Not sure if I should be flattered or pissed off but frankly I'm leaning a little bit more towards pissed off.
11-23-2010, 12:01 AM
#21
To put thing in to perspective. I have a buddy that decided he was going to produce his own flip flop company with some special custom items to each flip flop.
Now we are talking about 2 pieces of foam and 2 pieces of rubber. After 150K invested in R and D still no flip flop.
Now we are talking about 2 pieces of foam and 2 pieces of rubber. After 150K invested in R and D still no flip flop.
11-23-2010, 02:32 AM
#22
No kidding, while at the worlds I was told by some one that an exact copy of our B7-Pro engine design was being sold by a certain asian company under another brand name with an orange head on it lol! (I'll let you take a guess as to which brand that is). Not sure if I should be flattered or pissed off but frankly I'm leaning a little bit more towards pissed off.
That is the main problem with our engine devellopment, it is difficult to get things right.
And yes, indeed machines with 7 or more axles making crankshafts, pistons and sleeves out of one piece without remounting the part are expencive, for sure if they have to deal with several microns.
11-23-2010, 12:44 PM
#23
Tech Regular
+1...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, nitro is cheap in my opinion compared to electric, you by a new brushless system for 250 to 300.00 and it goes up in flames, you are out 250 to 300.00, you break a rod in nitro you are out 40.00 to 60.00, guy at local track flamed 2 esc's at 200.00 a peice, he should have bought a nitro...lmao
Manufacturer defects are actually more uncommon as most people think, the majority of blow ups are caused by user eror.
Thas from my 6 years in 1/10 electric racing (novak power) and 1 year in 1/8 electric (Tekin power) racing with never having a component problem not caused by me.
And lets not turn this into a flame war and get back to the thread topic.
11-23-2010, 02:16 PM
#24
You can copy an engine but it does not tell it will work the same. Getting the right materials to make the piston work with the sleeve is taking a lot of time if you do not have the experience in making these materials or are depending of what the suppliers have.
That is the main problem with our engine devellopment, it is difficult to get things right.
And yes, indeed machines with 7 or more axles making crankshafts, pistons and sleeves out of one piece without remounting the part are expencive, for sure if they have to deal with several microns.
That is the main problem with our engine devellopment, it is difficult to get things right.
And yes, indeed machines with 7 or more axles making crankshafts, pistons and sleeves out of one piece without remounting the part are expencive, for sure if they have to deal with several microns.
11-23-2010, 02:55 PM
#26
Absolutely correct however I feel that even in business there needs to be maintained a certain level of morals and ethics and frankly I think that the company in question has repeatedly showed that they have absolutely none. Personally looking at any other market segment where I'm a normal consumer I would never support or do business with a company that conducts it's self like that but that is just me and as we can see, consumers don't seem to mind.
it is sad to read that but undercutting/copying is happing evey where u look now days , companys just dont care . the china Ind market has really killed alot of good engineering firms because they just cant make enuff money to stay alive . china makes stuff for peanuts and the worst thing is the quaility is starting to get better.
The machining/engineering company i work for mainly do aerospace work now ..for Bae , LM ect , beacuse its one of the only things left in the Ind that need 100% quality .. has to be right and right first time . . we are arguably the best in the world at aircraft tools . to let people now how cheap china is . the auto Ind gets mould tools made in china/india then flys them to australia to be fixed and made right then flys them back agian to make parts . still making money over getting em machined in AUS.
Last edited by sly6t; 11-23-2010 at 05:51 PM.
11-23-2010, 03:07 PM
#27
Absolutely correct however I feel that even in business there needs to be maintained a certain level of morals and ethics and frankly I think that the company in question has repeatedly showed that they have absolutely none. Personally looking at any other market segment where I'm a normal consumer I would never support or do business with a company that conducts it's self like that but that is just me and as we can see, consumers don't seem to mind.
11-23-2010, 03:52 PM
#28
No kidding, while at the worlds I was told by some one that an exact copy of our B7-Pro engine design was being sold by a certain asian company under another brand name with an orange head on it lol! (I'll let you take a guess as to which brand that is). Not sure if I should be flattered or pissed off but frankly I'm leaning a little bit more towards pissed off.
and no those companies in question have only one thing in mind and that is being the cheapest product on the market and we have no one else to blame but ourselves as consumers for that moral viewpoint . if it is cheap we will buy it , no matter what the quality is . that point about the aerospace parts manufacturing is 100% correct and goes to show that there are very few production manufacturers that can produce items at certain quality standards , theres not many and be certain that italy and japan are way high on the list of quality micromotor manufacturers
heck these taiwan companies even copy other engine companies names
Last edited by houston; 11-23-2010 at 04:03 PM.
