I'm hoping to make a race or two this year, and I'll be happy with whatever classes result. I didn't make any of the races last year because I chose to do the ECT, and most of the ECT races conflicted with the NWIC. I'm hoping that the ECT and the NWIC will get together and have less overlapping dates this year.
Brian
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Mod Foam
13.5 Foam
17.5 Foam
10.5 Rubber - remember this was the most popular class by the end of last year
17.5 rubber
Mod 1/12th
17.5 1/12th
13.5 1/10th Pan car
End of story.
I will also volunteer to do the points. I already have a spread sheet made up to do the calculations from when I pieced together the end of series results.
Sean, does have a good point about the skill level difference in the 12th scale pilots we have in the area. Instead of a trans Am class, why not consider a 12th scale stock class w/17.5 brushless and a 12th scale mod class /10.5? It seems that if you did that it would help grow the 12th scale class, which a lot of the indoor carpet tracks are well suited for.
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I would be cool with a 10.5 12th scale class as the mod class...that might be a good compromise...
So the reason for the dbl classes is so guys can run two classes with the same car? When I raced last year, I saw a lot of the guys had a chassis setup for foam and another chassis setup for rubber, that's out of my budget. What are the setup changes required to make your car competitive going from rubber to foam, or vice a versa? I'd like to get more bang for my buck also by running say the 17.5 rubber and the 17.5 foam class with the same chassis without having to do a lot of change over wrenching. From what I observed last season, the guys that had just the one TC chassis ran either a rubber class or a foam class not both, and for their second class they ran either the outlaw class or 12th scale. IMO I think the classes would be fuller with less shrinkage as the season goes along. Somehow that sounds like an ED problem.
I.E. FW had the Roar Motor thing last weekend, from what i could tell ONLY 3 guys had the correct APPROVED motor. meaning.. the novak 17.5 with black ring and novak 17.5 with yellow ring have the same part number and have the same internal specs, however, at Nationals, ROAR only reconized the yellow ring motor as being legal, (must have a permanate I.D.)
The information FW was give by both NOVAK & the ROAR technical director was that both the black AND yellow ring versions are approved. I have no idea why the black ring version that doesn't have the ROAR required permanent identifier was approved but it is.
If Roar uses 10.5 for 19t that well be the outlaw motor!
There needs to be at least 2 classes in each foam and rubber! Almost everyone wants to run 2 classes with the same car!
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The ROAR super stock is 19T/10.5 for 2008 and 13.5 ONLY for 2009. Considering the ROAR rule changes 1/2 through the series we need to decide weather to run with the 2008 or 2009 motor spec. Personally I think going the 2009 13.5 only route is the better (forward thinking) option.
Running 2 versions of each class only dilutes them to the point were they're not worth the travel. The NIWIC is a great series but it doesn't draw enough racers to support 5-6 healthy sedan classes.
The ROAR super stock is 19T/10.5 for 2008 and 13.5 ONLY for 2009....I think going the 2009 13.5 only route is the better (forward thinking) option.
Running 2 versions of each class only dilutes them to the point were they're not worth the travel. The NIWIC is a great series but it doesn't draw enough racers to support 5-6 healthy sedan classes.
Mark
I agree with both above.
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Originally Posted by mkdut
...10.5 Rubber - remember this was the most popular class by the end of last year...
Probably because it was the only class to allow LiPo and brushless. I switched over from stock rubber after the first race because I'd just rather work on my chassis and poor driving skills.
Hoping to run 17.5 rubber sedan and 13.5 1/12th next season.
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I think the stock rubber 17.5 class would be the best for me, but I would like to run the 12th scale as an additional class, if the 17.5 was the motor spec. There is a big jump from 17.5 stock TC to 12th scale 13.5, and would feel I would be in the way, too much of the time, to enjoy it or improve upon my skills. It's just logical to have a stock 17.5 12th scale and a mod 12th scale. I think it would open the 12th scale class up to more racers. We already have the TC classes split by 3 power specs., why not two for the 12th scale? I think it would create more participation in the class and also make it more fun for the top guys.
The information FW was give by both NOVAK & the ROAR technical director was that both the black AND yellow ring versions are approved. I have no idea why the black ring version that doesn't have the ROAR required permanent identifier was approved but it is.
Mark
I would have loved to have there when that phone call was made.
John,
The split 12th scale classes a few years back were sparsely attended. As much as I want to go fast in mod and hone my driving skill in that class, I also need some competitors to race with. Racing mod by your self is not much of an accomplishment. Racing mod with 30 other guys is. Currently we are fortunate to put a low 20 at any single event in 12th scale, which is good! But 4 mod drivers and 18 stockers tells a story. Here's the motor break down as I have seen it in the past, slowest to fastest: 17.5, 27t, 13.5, 19t, 10.5, mod. Trust me, there are no equivalents here at 4 cell power. 13.5 will be just as fast as 19t if you were lazy with your motor. Team Brood helped me last season with my 19t motor. I had all the springs and brushes I needed to keep it running at 100% all the time. Take that away and we have 13.5. I want to cast my vote for 13.5 only for 12th scale at this time. Do not introduce any brushed motors at this point. Yes, mod will be fun as a 2nd class if a host needs more filler, but for the series... 13.5 will be an excellent choice. The 10.5 will be tossed into the the Roar waste basket as a mild mod motor. No more development will be introduced in 10.5. I will be surprised if they are even continued to be marketed. Basing a class on them would be difficult at best.
As far as touring; I really liked the outlaw format. Now that lipo is the norm, 10.5 is gone, I will turn my focus to 13.5 rubber.... whatever tire is choosen.
there are and will be plenty of 10.5s in the system to last quite a while,
if roar is going to drop the 10.5 motor, wouldn't that make it truely a "outlaw" motor class
if you go with a 13.5 might as well use the correct name for it, "super stock"
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John,
The split 12th scale classes a few years back were sparsely attended. As much as I want to go fast in mod and hone my driving skill in that class, I also need some competitors to race with. Racing mod by your self is not much of an accomplishment. Racing mod with 30 other guys is. Currently we are fortunate to put a low 20 at any single event in 12th scale, which is good! But 4 mod drivers and 18 stockers tells a story. Here's the motor break down as I have seen it in the past, slowest to fastest: 17.5, 27t, 13.5, 19t, 10.5, mod. Trust me, there are no equivalents here at 4 cell power. 13.5 will be just as fast as 19t if you were lazy with your motor. Team Brood helped me last season with my 19t motor. I had all the springs and brushes I needed to keep it running at 100% all the time. Take that away and we have 13.5. I want to cast my vote for 13.5 only for 12th scale at this time. Do not introduce any brushed motors at this point. Yes, mod will be fun as a 2nd class if a host needs more filler, but for the series... 13.5 will be an excellent choice. The 10.5 will be tossed into the the Roar waste basket as a mild mod motor. No more development will be introduced in 10.5. I will be surprised if they are even continued to be marketed. Basing a class on them would be difficult at best.
As far as touring; I really liked the outlaw format. Now that lipo is the norm, 10.5 is gone, I will turn my focus to 13.5 rubber.... whatever tire is choosen.
bb
Thanks for the explanation Brian. My thinking was based on the thought that if there was a 12th scale 17.5 class it would bring in some new blood to try it out, once they did they'd be hooked and others would be moving up to mod. I only ran the 19T last year so I don't know if the speed difference between 17.5 and 13.5 would be great enough to warrant two classes. I do think by going with the 13.5 would be a compromise but still might be a little intimidating for some to dip their toes in.
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