Team Magic G4
03-25-2007, 08:59 AM
#5476
Originally Posted by Lycan
Speaking of clutches...
What would cause the clutch to slip for a while then engage? The car is accelerating really smoothly but lacks that sudden engagment/acceleration and the engine sounds like its holding or maintain one certain rev range before the clutch finally grabs.
Running black spring with red upgrade shoes, etc and both weights with 0.7mm gap and 1.23mm tension. If find the less tension on the spring, the worse it gets but 1.23mm seems excessive.
Andrew
What would cause the clutch to slip for a while then engage? The car is accelerating really smoothly but lacks that sudden engagment/acceleration and the engine sounds like its holding or maintain one certain rev range before the clutch finally grabs.
Running black spring with red upgrade shoes, etc and both weights with 0.7mm gap and 1.23mm tension. If find the less tension on the spring, the worse it gets but 1.23mm seems excessive.
Andrew
03-25-2007, 09:08 AM
#5477
Thats correct what serpentd has said.
What we have found is that the harder 1.8mm springs dont like the larger clutch gaps ,i still think the .5 clutch gap will help.
Also note that the clutch will slip on the first lap or two as it warms up if you can call it that ,if its still slipping back off the clutch spring tension a bit.
The red shoe works well on med/high bite tracks.
If all else fails run the black shoe.
What we have found is that the harder 1.8mm springs dont like the larger clutch gaps ,i still think the .5 clutch gap will help.
Also note that the clutch will slip on the first lap or two as it warms up if you can call it that ,if its still slipping back off the clutch spring tension a bit.
The red shoe works well on med/high bite tracks.
If all else fails run the black shoe.
03-25-2007, 09:20 AM
#5478
Had a awesome day at the track today.
In the heats i had some hassles with engine but managed a good 1st heat and that qualified me for the 2nd in teh Bmains.
Weater was a big influence on the tune as it was overcast and cool and then after a while sunny and hot and the weather kept going back and forth like this.
Fortunately the finals arrived and due to possibility of rain we had 15min finals.
Finals got of great with me holding 2nd for first 3 laps until fellow G4S driver in 1st ran wide into the back straight and this opened the door for me.
I opened up a 11 sec lead on the 2nd place man until my first pit stop were I unfortunately flamed out.
My pit man got me started and and i resumed racing in 3rd position and 19 secs down on 2nd place man.
Luckily i had pace and made up 1 to 2 secs a lap to take 2nd and chase for 1st.
fter my 2nd pit stop which was awesome from my crew i manged to gain 3 secs on first place leaving me chasing a 7 sec gap.
1st place guiy finally succumbed to the pressure and pace adn made a mistake and left open track for me to get a 16sec win over 2nd place.
Car was a hand full in the heats as teh track was very loose but with chjages made to firm up front end and soften rear end car ran good in the final.
I am stoked with the win and will be chasing for the Amain placing at next meet.
In 2 weeks time its 2nd round of national series and I am getting my spare G4S ready.
Thanks guys for the posts here it makes a difference
In the heats i had some hassles with engine but managed a good 1st heat and that qualified me for the 2nd in teh Bmains.
Weater was a big influence on the tune as it was overcast and cool and then after a while sunny and hot and the weather kept going back and forth like this.
Fortunately the finals arrived and due to possibility of rain we had 15min finals.
Finals got of great with me holding 2nd for first 3 laps until fellow G4S driver in 1st ran wide into the back straight and this opened the door for me.
I opened up a 11 sec lead on the 2nd place man until my first pit stop were I unfortunately flamed out.
My pit man got me started and and i resumed racing in 3rd position and 19 secs down on 2nd place man.
Luckily i had pace and made up 1 to 2 secs a lap to take 2nd and chase for 1st.
fter my 2nd pit stop which was awesome from my crew i manged to gain 3 secs on first place leaving me chasing a 7 sec gap.
1st place guiy finally succumbed to the pressure and pace adn made a mistake and left open track for me to get a 16sec win over 2nd place.
Car was a hand full in the heats as teh track was very loose but with chjages made to firm up front end and soften rear end car ran good in the final.
I am stoked with the win and will be chasing for the Amain placing at next meet.In 2 weeks time its 2nd round of national series and I am getting my spare G4S ready.
Thanks guys for the posts here it makes a difference
03-25-2007, 09:35 AM
#5479
Originally Posted by razzor
Thats correct what serpentd has said.
What we have found is that the harder 1.8mm springs dont like the larger clutch gaps ,i still think the .5 clutch gap will help.
Also note that the clutch will slip on the first lap or two as it warms up if you can call it that ,if its still slipping back off the clutch spring tension a bit.
The red shoe works well on med/high bite tracks.
If all else fails run the black shoe.
What we have found is that the harder 1.8mm springs dont like the larger clutch gaps ,i still think the .5 clutch gap will help.
Also note that the clutch will slip on the first lap or two as it warms up if you can call it that ,if its still slipping back off the clutch spring tension a bit.
The red shoe works well on med/high bite tracks.
If all else fails run the black shoe.
03-25-2007, 09:42 AM
#5480
Originally Posted by razzor
Had a awesome day at the track today.
In the heats i had some hassles with engine but managed a good 1st heat and that qualified me for the 2nd in teh Bmains.
Weater was a big influence on the tune as it was overcast and cool and then after a while sunny and hot and the weather kept going back and forth like this.
Fortunately the finals arrived and due to possibility of rain we had 15min finals.
Finals got of great with me holding 2nd for first 3 laps until fellow G4S driver in 1st ran wide into the back straight and this opened the door for me.
I opened up a 11 sec lead on the 2nd place man until my first pit stop were I unfortunately flamed out.
My pit man got me started and and i resumed racing in 3rd position and 19 secs down on 2nd place man.
Luckily i had pace and made up 1 to 2 secs a lap to take 2nd and chase for 1st.
fter my 2nd pit stop which was awesome from my crew i manged to gain 3 secs on first place leaving me chasing a 7 sec gap.
1st place guiy finally succumbed to the pressure and pace adn made a mistake and left open track for me to get a 16sec win over 2nd place.
Car was a hand full in the heats as teh track was very loose but with chjages made to firm up front end and soften rear end car ran good in the final.
I am stoked with the win and will be chasing for the Amain placing at next meet.
In 2 weeks time its 2nd round of national series and I am getting my spare G4S ready.
Thanks guys for the posts here it makes a difference
In the heats i had some hassles with engine but managed a good 1st heat and that qualified me for the 2nd in teh Bmains.
Weater was a big influence on the tune as it was overcast and cool and then after a while sunny and hot and the weather kept going back and forth like this.
Fortunately the finals arrived and due to possibility of rain we had 15min finals.
Finals got of great with me holding 2nd for first 3 laps until fellow G4S driver in 1st ran wide into the back straight and this opened the door for me.
I opened up a 11 sec lead on the 2nd place man until my first pit stop were I unfortunately flamed out.
My pit man got me started and and i resumed racing in 3rd position and 19 secs down on 2nd place man.
Luckily i had pace and made up 1 to 2 secs a lap to take 2nd and chase for 1st.
fter my 2nd pit stop which was awesome from my crew i manged to gain 3 secs on first place leaving me chasing a 7 sec gap.
1st place guiy finally succumbed to the pressure and pace adn made a mistake and left open track for me to get a 16sec win over 2nd place.
Car was a hand full in the heats as teh track was very loose but with chjages made to firm up front end and soften rear end car ran good in the final.
I am stoked with the win and will be chasing for the Amain placing at next meet.In 2 weeks time its 2nd round of national series and I am getting my spare G4S ready.
Thanks guys for the posts here it makes a difference
Glad to hear that you can keep your composure when the heat is on. This takes some time for people to accomplish. Sounds like you were the one putting on all the heat! 
SWEET. Anctious to hear how your race turns out next week man. Sounds like you and I are in similar situatons, where I am planning on attacking the A main dudes next week as well. I'm just finishing up my car now and almost ready to ROCK! Yeah Baby!!!. Again, Great Job razzor! 
03-25-2007, 11:58 AM
#5481
Originally Posted by razzor
I am running the same setup on my spare car but am running a .5mm clutch gap wich would help and possibly sort out your slipping problem.
Also back off the spring tension a lttle and start the tuning of teh clutch from a softer setting.
Also back off the spring tension a lttle and start the tuning of teh clutch from a softer setting.
03-25-2007, 01:26 PM
#5482
Originally Posted by casimirsa
I have been running my clutch gaps .3 - .5mm (max) this works the best in all circumstances. I apply this to my 1/8 Serpent also! This also lengthen the live of the clutch shoe!
03-25-2007, 03:25 PM
#5483
Originally Posted by razzor
Had a awesome day at the track today.
In the heats i had some hassles with engine but managed a good 1st heat and that qualified me for the 2nd in teh Bmains.
Weater was a big influence on the tune as it was overcast and cool and then after a while sunny and hot and the weather kept going back and forth like this.
Fortunately the finals arrived and due to possibility of rain we had 15min finals.
Finals got of great with me holding 2nd for first 3 laps until fellow G4S driver in 1st ran wide into the back straight and this opened the door for me.
I opened up a 11 sec lead on the 2nd place man until my first pit stop were I unfortunately flamed out.
My pit man got me started and and i resumed racing in 3rd position and 19 secs down on 2nd place man.
Luckily i had pace and made up 1 to 2 secs a lap to take 2nd and chase for 1st.
fter my 2nd pit stop which was awesome from my crew i manged to gain 3 secs on first place leaving me chasing a 7 sec gap.
1st place guiy finally succumbed to the pressure and pace adn made a mistake and left open track for me to get a 16sec win over 2nd place.
Car was a hand full in the heats as teh track was very loose but with chjages made to firm up front end and soften rear end car ran good in the final.
I am stoked with the win and will be chasing for the Amain placing at next meet.
In 2 weeks time its 2nd round of national series and I am getting my spare G4S ready.
Thanks guys for the posts here it makes a difference
In the heats i had some hassles with engine but managed a good 1st heat and that qualified me for the 2nd in teh Bmains.
Weater was a big influence on the tune as it was overcast and cool and then after a while sunny and hot and the weather kept going back and forth like this.
Fortunately the finals arrived and due to possibility of rain we had 15min finals.
Finals got of great with me holding 2nd for first 3 laps until fellow G4S driver in 1st ran wide into the back straight and this opened the door for me.
I opened up a 11 sec lead on the 2nd place man until my first pit stop were I unfortunately flamed out.
My pit man got me started and and i resumed racing in 3rd position and 19 secs down on 2nd place man.
Luckily i had pace and made up 1 to 2 secs a lap to take 2nd and chase for 1st.
fter my 2nd pit stop which was awesome from my crew i manged to gain 3 secs on first place leaving me chasing a 7 sec gap.
1st place guiy finally succumbed to the pressure and pace adn made a mistake and left open track for me to get a 16sec win over 2nd place.
Car was a hand full in the heats as teh track was very loose but with chjages made to firm up front end and soften rear end car ran good in the final.
I am stoked with the win and will be chasing for the Amain placing at next meet.In 2 weeks time its 2nd round of national series and I am getting my spare G4S ready.
Thanks guys for the posts here it makes a difference
03-25-2007, 07:14 PM
#5485
Tech Initiate
Originally Posted by Serpentd
Dude, what color clutch spring are you using? (bright yellow?) Also, how many threads are showing after you tightnen down the clutch spring? It sounds as though your clutch spring is TOO TIGHT. Clutches have a learning curve bro, so post away. Like you said, better to learn properly rather then screw stuff up. Which can happen easily with the clutch. Anyway, loosen the clutch spring until 1/2 to 1 thread is showing. Also, if you breakng in your engine, you will have WAY less power so you may need to back off the spring even more until you have the engine broke in properly. Please take your time with the engine break in, as a good break in will have much more power and last a LOT LONGER! It's hard to keep patients when your at this stage, but DO NOT rush dude! Let us know where you are with engine break in and your clutch settings so we can nail this down for you.
Loosened the tension on the Clutch spring and what do ya know, it now takes up a fair bit quicker so I was able to get my G4S moving for the first time!!!!
Wicked! First time I have seen a Nitro powered car in action so was a real buzz. Now I am completely addicted. So far I have been following the Bess method of running the car for 2 - 3 minutes and then letting it cool to break the motor in. So far I have run the new motor for about 15 minutes and all seems fine. Only thing I have noticed is under full throttle the car seems to hesitate/gurgle before taking up. A bit of tuning required I think. Also the car is turning left far better than right so I think I need to make some adjustments to the toe. Heading down to the local track for the first time this Saturday here in Perth and can't wait. Thanks for the help.
03-25-2007, 08:53 PM
#5486
Hey Danjr, which track in Perth are you going to? If it's bayswater, then it will be closed on Saturday (we are only allowed to use the track once per weekend due to noise restrictions), but I'm sure you'd be welcome to come and race on Sunday. If you need more info then let me know.
03-25-2007, 09:59 PM
#5487
Originally Posted by razzor
Had a awesome day at the track today.
In the heats i had some hassles with engine but managed a good 1st heat and that qualified me for the 2nd in teh Bmains.
Weater was a big influence on the tune as it was overcast and cool and then after a while sunny and hot and the weather kept going back and forth like this.
Fortunately the finals arrived and due to possibility of rain we had 15min finals.
Finals got of great with me holding 2nd for first 3 laps until fellow G4S driver in 1st ran wide into the back straight and this opened the door for me.
I opened up a 11 sec lead on the 2nd place man until my first pit stop were I unfortunately flamed out.
My pit man got me started and and i resumed racing in 3rd position and 19 secs down on 2nd place man.
Luckily i had pace and made up 1 to 2 secs a lap to take 2nd and chase for 1st.
fter my 2nd pit stop which was awesome from my crew i manged to gain 3 secs on first place leaving me chasing a 7 sec gap.
1st place guiy finally succumbed to the pressure and pace adn made a mistake and left open track for me to get a 16sec win over 2nd place.
Car was a hand full in the heats as teh track was very loose but with chjages made to firm up front end and soften rear end car ran good in the final.
I am stoked with the win and will be chasing for the Amain placing at next meet.
In 2 weeks time its 2nd round of national series and I am getting my spare G4S ready.
Thanks guys for the posts here it makes a difference
In the heats i had some hassles with engine but managed a good 1st heat and that qualified me for the 2nd in teh Bmains.
Weater was a big influence on the tune as it was overcast and cool and then after a while sunny and hot and the weather kept going back and forth like this.
Fortunately the finals arrived and due to possibility of rain we had 15min finals.
Finals got of great with me holding 2nd for first 3 laps until fellow G4S driver in 1st ran wide into the back straight and this opened the door for me.
I opened up a 11 sec lead on the 2nd place man until my first pit stop were I unfortunately flamed out.
My pit man got me started and and i resumed racing in 3rd position and 19 secs down on 2nd place man.
Luckily i had pace and made up 1 to 2 secs a lap to take 2nd and chase for 1st.
fter my 2nd pit stop which was awesome from my crew i manged to gain 3 secs on first place leaving me chasing a 7 sec gap.
1st place guiy finally succumbed to the pressure and pace adn made a mistake and left open track for me to get a 16sec win over 2nd place.
Car was a hand full in the heats as teh track was very loose but with chjages made to firm up front end and soften rear end car ran good in the final.
I am stoked with the win and will be chasing for the Amain placing at next meet.In 2 weeks time its 2nd round of national series and I am getting my spare G4S ready.
Thanks guys for the posts here it makes a difference
May I just add my congrats' to you Razzor for what was obviously an enjoyable days racing.
That, right there, is what it's all about.
Savour the moment Razzor and I wish you plenty more in the future sir.
Regards
Menace
03-25-2007, 10:18 PM
#5488
CONGRATS TO RAZOR!!! GREAT JOB - GREAT ADJUSTMENTS!
03-25-2007, 10:45 PM
#5489
Tech Initiate
Originally Posted by Z00M
Hey Danjr, which track in Perth are you going to? If it's bayswater, then it will be closed on Saturday (we are only allowed to use the track once per weekend due to noise restrictions), but I'm sure you'd be welcome to come and race on Sunday. If you need more info then let me know.
03-25-2007, 10:48 PM
#5490
Originally Posted by Z00M
Hey Danjr, which track in Perth are you going to? If it's bayswater, then it will be closed on Saturday (we are only allowed to use the track once per weekend due to noise restrictions), but I'm sure you'd be welcome to come and race on Sunday. If you need more info then let me know.
Once I lived in Sorrento, back then in 1991. I was a Curtin dude back then.....
