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Old 10-11-2014, 11:44 AM   #151
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From what you guys are saying about the new car, looks like I will be coming back to Mugen in 200mm. I stopped at the MTX4 and jumped to Xray. Going to budget to get mine for the racing season next year. Can't wait to get back on the Mugen train again after my hiatus.
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Old 10-11-2014, 02:42 PM   #152
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Would like to let you guys know that I will be running for Mugen from now on.
The moment the first pictures were released I was impressed with the design and wanted to give it a try.
I quickly arranged a chassis for testing and I really liked the handling and overall quality.

At this moment I've done two races and one endurance race (3hrs with 3 man team) with the car and it has been super fast and reliable. Didn't replaced a single part yet.

The thing which impressed me the most is how straight the car is, and how straight it stays. It has been completely free of tweak since I started running it.
Also have a very good basic setup which I will upload soon. The kit setup has a lot of understeer if you ask me.
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Old 10-13-2014, 11:16 PM   #153
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hi welcome DS motor sports to the light has the cap got to price the boys at our club have changed to xray but I think most of the parts fit there is a lot of people I know have changed to another brand///from what I have seen of the mtx6 it is what the mtx5 should have been in the first place I hope you enjoy you new toy //I will just have to use all the bits off grandsons mtx5 first
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Has anyone tried running a very stiff front diff in there Car?? An what r the benefits to running it that way?? I run on a tight track wit a lot of 180 turns an chicanes...grip is medium... How would that help if any???
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Old 10-15-2014, 09:46 AM   #155
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I tried 1 million in the front with high traction ,I was able to really push the car on-power. On medium traction it pushed a little. I would go with 300,000 and 80,000 rear
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I tried 500 & 80 and found it pushes a bit.
With 300 &80 it seams more balanced.
I have build a 100 rear to try this weekend.
Our track is high speed low traction with a few tight sections.
I never tried 1 mil at our track based on feed back or oft her club members.
That being said one guy tells me he's runing 1 mil & 80 (kit setup) and he's got it work well I can catch him.. LoL

Seams a lot like diriving stile, track, etc.

Now that the difs are quicker to change I will experiment a bit more.
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Old 10-15-2014, 04:36 PM   #157
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Has anyone tried running a very stiff front diff in there Car?? An what r the benefits to running it that way?? I run on a tight track wit a lot of 180 turns an chicanes...grip is medium... How would that help if any???
Using heavy diff oils is good on a point to point apex track. It assists by keeping the car is a straight line on power and straight-line braking. Imagine tiny bumps breaking traction the heavy diff oil helps prevent one side of the car spinning up more than the other and applies the same power to each side of the car.

The down side is that you will understeer heavily off power on a tight or flowing corner track, on power isnt as bad as you have drive to scrub the outside wheels. You will also get mid corner bite as you come off power and back on again are using more steering lock to turn and as all wheels gain traction without scrubbing they bite with the wheels pointing in the wrong direction. You will also be putting a lot of load on the outdrives and CVs.

On the flip side, too soft on your diffs and you risk spinning up inside wheels and smashing the diffs when it regains traction. Great for smooth tracks with tight turns and flowing corners.

RC cars are miraculous at driving with a lot of understeer, the fact that we dont have bums on seats doesnt help, if you were sitting in a car like that, you'd be stressed out and needing a session with a shrink afterthe race having seen your life flash by repeatedly.
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Ok..thanks for the info...here is another question..im running 300k front an 70 rear...track is tight medium grip..180 turns...600 in all the shocks silver springs...32 front..35 rear...im tring to get more turn-in off throttle...what should i try??? Where should i go?? Thanks'
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Move the front upper arms forward., lower droop value in the rear, chassis weight forward play with front springs. There's a few options
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I tried the 100 in the rear with the mtx5. And I would only use it on a high traction track
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Ok..thanks for the info...here is another question..im running 300k front an 70 rear...track is tight medium grip..180 turns...600 in all the shocks silver springs...32 front..35 rear...im tring to get more turn-in off throttle...what should i try??? Where should i go?? Thanks'
Rear tires, try 37's.
35 rears are soft.
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I usually find that 40 rears give a better balance most of the time. I then alternate between 35 and 37 fronts depending how much front bite I need and also tyre wear balance F/R.
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Try 200k front diff even 150k
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hey guys i have been running a little with the new car with B Thomas and Robbie from Mugen,,, we found the car likes a 60- 80K rear diff 300K front diff,shocks 500 front 550 rear ,yellow rears black front springs,2.2 bars on both 40 rears 35 fronts .2* camber front 3.5* camber rear hope this helps
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Ok..thanks for the info...here is another question..im running 300k front an 70 rear...track is tight medium grip..180 turns...600 in all the shocks silver springs...32 front..35 rear...im tring to get more turn-in off throttle...what should i try??? Where should i go?? Thanks'
Which shock pistons are you running?.
With the standard 1-hole shock piston up front the front end is massively overdamped in my opinion. There is hardly any weight transfer to the front end during braking. I went to the 2-hole piston up front, gives a lot more off-throttle steering.


This is my complete setup, I think this is a good base setup if you're running on a normal grip track and don't use additive:
With the bi-compound tires (Capricorn) up front it will give a lot of steering, it might be too much for some. If this is the case I would suggest the following:
-Switch to normal 32 shore fronts
-Stiffer front anti rollbar
-600cst in front shocks


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