Originally Posted by jrabbito
No ONE person will set the peramiters for this class. Thats what I have been saying all along.
You need to involve ROAR, the local clubs and their members in these discussions. Hash out a set of rules and then execute on that plan. Sounds long and complicated? It is!!! You are devising a new class and the cumulative investment by racers will be in the tens of thousands of dollars!!
I know I wouldn't invest personally in a class that wasn't nationally recognized and I am sure there are others in the same boat. If ROAR backs it then you stand a MUCH better chance of making this fly and adding credability to this. It doesn't guarantee a thing though..I realize that.
This isn't to say that a local club couldn't flourish under its own rules and guidelines.
P.S. Writing off peoples opinons and suggestions as marginal if they aren't yours is a sure recipe for failure. I have seen it first hand.
What happened when the IRL constructed a "spec" class for open wheel american racing??? If you think that the potential to hurt the 1/8 open class isnt there think again. There are only so many people willing to race 1/8. Divide them how you like.
John, need to involve ROAR?....check my signature...seems to me like this has gotten the attention of ROAR...Even Rick Wilson is has contributed to the thread...So far we have gotten feedback from a few some clubs, a few ROAR representatives and those racers who are actually ROAR members....
Also, lets not reference and compare other forms of racing to RC, with the gnereal notion that "see it failed there" ..For every failure there is a success somewhere....
I said early, if one club benefits from the implementation of "SPEC" class than the effort was a success. No one is going to enforce that "SPEC" class be run at every track and event...if a club elects not to run a SPEC class, that's fine...all we are trying to do is set some guidelines so those clubs that want to embrace a SPEC class know that there are a standard set of rules to follow.
And YES, they are marginal...
"waiting to see and evaluate the situation"...oh come on...we have enough politicans in this country...lets do something about it now...this concept is not new, people have been talking about it for years...Serpent recognizes the problem...and have introduced a line of reasonable priced engines....
"another class will divide the racers and lose interest"....the same argument can be made for a running the sportsman class...this is worse...by making drivers race in a sportsman class your telling them they are not ready to race with the "experts"...fuck that, that's why the dumbass class failed in the NY/CT...who decides who is good enough or not.....sportsman used to be 2wd 1/8th
"1/8th scale is an extreme form of racing, slowing it down is not the solution"...if we do not do something about rising prices, only the "elite" will enjoy this form of racing....what's really funny is the price of 1/8th scale in no way affects me financially, yet I'm the one arguing to somehow reduce the cost for the benefit of the hobby...so a SPEC class is in no way self served
"adding another class to make the A-Main"....if someone is always worried about making the A-main they are in the hobby for the wrong reasons....
I'm not going to stop what I started...If the executives at ROAR feel a spec class is going to be a deterrent, that's fine....but I will promote this form of racing at our club events, cause I beleive it is truely needed...
One person is not setting the parameters...a proposal will be sent to ROAR and the executive committee with vote on it...
We aready have an informal guideline based on this forum....
> 5 port engines
> non-modified engines (cranks)
> we mentioned off-road engines cause they tend to be cheaper
> Turbo plugs allowed
> Street Price less than $300...
This keeps it simple
So far I've yet to hear a valid arguement, other than "TZ" arguement "that you'll be racing fewer guys directly by offering two classes" This is 100% true and falls in line with Jiml's comment about more guys racing stock versus modified in electric. We have no solution for, but the alternative of not doing something to help lower the cost is even worse
Our goal is to reduce the overall cost of racing...if a SPEC engine for under $300 do not help, nothing will!!!!
And, to comment that MAX power has a modified engine for $500 undermines everthing we are trying to do here....What's the price for a non-modifed, I'll go buy one from Bruckner Hobbies tonight, if it meets the guidelines