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Old 11-10-2014, 10:17 PM   #61
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Picture of Hagbergs Xray from RedRC. Interesting to see the head on the engine, remember H.A.R.D Racing (Team Magic) having these as option parts.
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The great part of this chamionship being grippy is no additive controversy. Action so far has been free practise, so rules aren't super important yet, but Dario's rear wing is quite clearly overhanging the rear bumper by more than 10mm. I reread the rules and 10mm is maximum overhang. The sideplate dimensions are 35mm x 50mm, so his is overhanging by ~30mm. I wish Dario (a great driver) and other drivers a great meeting, but that needs to be scrutineered and fixed ASAP. I also don't understand how this would happen by accident or oversight with experienced teams/drivers when this quite obvious.
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May I suggest reading of the rules again. There is only two reference to the end plates / side dams in the body measurement rules. If you read the rules in the context of how it is written it is only the wing itself that can not over hang the body by more than 10mm when measured from the rear bumper. (No mention of side plates)

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5.19 General Dimensions: -Minimum (mm) -Maximum (mm)
Wheelbase 230.00 270.00
Width (without body) 170.00 200.00
Width (with body) 175.00 205.00
Length (including body and wing) 360.00 460.00
Height (to top of roof measured with a 10.00mm
spacer under the chassis plate on level) 120.00 175.00
Wing width inclusive 125.00 200.00
Wing width - 50.00
Wing endplate 35.00mm x 50.00mm – equal size
Wing overhang (at rear) 10.00
Wheel diameter (excluding tyre bead) 46.00 50.00
Wheel width (including bead) - 30.00 + 1mm
tolerance
Tyre width (across sidewalls) - 31.00
5.20 One (1) wing and one (1) spoiler may be mounted to any car (if the original full-size car had more, it is allowed to do the same). Wing and spoiler must be made from a flexible material.
Wing and spoiler must not be fixed to body with piano wire. Basically, they must be mounted to body directly. Wing and spoiler may not protrude outside the maximum height and width of the body (including the side dams). Rear wings must be mounted in the same place as was intended by the body manufacturer. The overhang must not exceed 10.00mm at the furthest point, to be measured from the bumper.
The height of the wing may be adjusted but the wing, including endplates must not extend higher then the roofline. Wings (excluding endplates) are to be of single moulded construction (no flat-packs/bend your own). Total chord of wing is 50.00mm.
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is there any live timing yet
LiveRC just posted about 15mins ago saying that they have just got internet access at the track, and will be online soon.

There are some photos of the first round of seeded practice on FB....
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Hi Old Smokey,

please note that the terminology states that the side dams are an included sub-part of the wing or spoiler, not in addition to or separate. The document later specifically excludes endplates from the wing in the construction. If they were not part of the wing, they couldn't be excluded from it.

The total length includes 'body and wing', without including wing endplates separately. I very much believe they are an part of the wing reference and subject to the total length maximum of 460mm. Wing endplates are implied, in this context, to be part of the wing for measurement purposes.

I contend that wing endplates are implicit in the term 'wing' as a combined part/assembly.

Michael Jackson can be included and excluded in/from the The Jackson 5, but not in/from The Rolling Stones.

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Liverc now updated:

http://www.liverc.com/news/race_resu...lled_practice/

Who would of guessed is fastest....

Teemu Leino - FIN (HB/Novarossi) - 42.330
Dario Balestri - ITA (Capricorn/XRD) - 42.585
Kyle Branson - GBR (Capricorn/XRD) - 42.690
Nicholas Lee - SGP (XRAY/Novarossi) - 42.781
JJ Wang - USA (Mugen Seiki/Novarossi) - 42.800
Yuya Sahashi - JPN (Serpent/Picco) - 42.847
Dirk Wischnewski - DNK (Shepherd/ORCAN) - 42.851
Francesco Tironi - ITA (Shepherd/Novarossi) - 42.856
Alexander Hagberg - DEU (XRAY/ORCAN) - 42.857
Simon Kurzbach - CHE (Shepherd/Novarossi) - 42.863
Jeff Hammon - AUS - 42.924
Surikarn Chaidajsuriya - THA - 42.977
Dominik Grenier - DEU - 43.002
Andy Moore - GBR - 43.021
Hayato Yamada - JPN - 43.100
Terauchi Takehiro - JPN - 43.116
Sahashi Tadahiko - JPN - 43.161
Alessio Mazzeo - ITA - 43.175
Meen Vejrak - THA - 43.225
Bruno Coelho - PRT - 43.228
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Hi Old Smokey,

please note that the terminology states that the side dams are an included sub-part of the wing or spoiler, not in addition to or separate. The document later specifically excludes endplates from the wing in the construction. If they were not part of the wing, they couldn't be excluded from it.

The total length includes 'body and wing', without including wing endplates separately. I very much believe they are an part of the wing reference and subject to the total length maximum of 460mm. Wing endplates are implied, in this context, to be part of the wing for measurement purposes.

I contend that wing endplates are implicit in the term 'wing' as a combined part/assembly.

Michael Jackson can be included and excluded in/from the The Jackson 5, but not in/from The Rolling Stones.

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If u were correct that the wing implied the endplates then they could not be longer forward or to the rear.


But lucky for all the racer at the ifmar worlds you are NOT a Official
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Picture of Hagbergs Xray from RedRC. Interesting to see the head on the engine, remember H.A.R.D Racing (Team Magic) having these as option parts.

I like the location of the rear camber link locations..
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If u were correct that the wing implied the endplates then they could not be longer forward or to the rear.


But lucky for all the racer at the ifmar worlds you are NOT a Official

Haha, now that's just funny right there...


Callisto, please keep arguing your point its making for some good entertainment...
But if your at the track take your concerns to the officials at the race since that might actually accomplish something instead of arguing from behind a keyboard...
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I aim to please, Scotty.

Admire the bare wing mounts where the manufacturer suggests you mount the wing as per the regulations. And the 2-3cm tail overhang. Even the central wing is borderline as 10mm is a maximum with no futher tolerance.

Don't worry, I'm pretty much done. I've lead a horse to water and debating a technical document that can't even decide whether a 3 speed transmission is legal is moot. (See 5.2 and 5.27).

PS I think there is a distinct possibility he is using a flexible wing or force variable mount that would bend at high speed and return to higher downforce at low speed, a la F1 a few years ago. That feature would be legal.
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Hi guys,

why is Loran the only American at this race?
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Liverc now updated:

http://www.liverc.com/news/race_resu...lled_practice/

Who would of guessed is fastest....

Teemu Leino - FIN (HB/Novarossi) - 42.330
Dario Balestri - ITA (Capricorn/XRD) - 42.585
Kyle Branson - GBR (Capricorn/XRD) - 42.690
Nicholas Lee - SGP (XRAY/Novarossi) - 42.781
JJ Wang - USA (Mugen Seiki/Novarossi) - 42.800
Yuya Sahashi - JPN (Serpent/Picco) - 42.847
Dirk Wischnewski - DNK (Shepherd/ORCAN) - 42.851
Francesco Tironi - ITA (Shepherd/Novarossi) - 42.856
Alexander Hagberg - DEU (XRAY/ORCAN) - 42.857
Simon Kurzbach - CHE (Shepherd/Novarossi) - 42.863
Jeff Hammon - AUS (Mugen/Novarossi) - 42.924
Surikarn Chaidajsuriya - THA - 42.977
Dominik Grenier - DEU - 43.002
Andy Moore - GBR - 43.021
Hayato Yamada - JPN - 43.100
Terauchi Takehiro - JPN - 43.116
Sahashi Tadahiko - JPN - 43.161
Alessio Mazzeo - ITA - 43.175
Meen Vejrak - THA - 43.225
Bruno Coelho - PRT - 43.228
Yay...
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why is Loran the only American at this race?
You forgot j j wang Stefan he races for USA now , but yes good question any Yankee boys got a reason seems USA teams don't leave home much anymore!
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I got to say I'm struggling to understand why their timing is not being synchronized and streamed to the default MyRCM site, as it is now, we are struggling for real raw data results, which is what some of us want to see now.

Seriously, one call to Felix (guy who writes the software), and you have his streaming package, only thing I can think of, is LiveRC or whomever have some exclusive deal, hence we get stuck with sub par results being churned out.

Not hating on LiveRC here, just saying, the stock software streaming and sync package is good.
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I'm use to liverc sucking.........we all should be by now
I'm sorry liverc! Just keeping it real!!
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place as was intended by the body manufacturer. The overhang must not exceed 10.00mm at the furthest point, to be measured from the bumper.
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Hate to drag up wing rules again but just wanted to mention......if you notice on Balestri's body, it has 2 raise protrusions in the center of the rear bumper. The 10mm measurement is allowed to be taken from those protrusions on that paticular body.
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