Community
Wiki Posts
Search

Mugen MTX-4

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-26-2005, 06:18 PM
  #781  
Tech Adept
 
Greenbox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 134
Default

oops my bad i got got confused with Jr's radio....
Well ( i hope i get it this time) isnt that electric?

also yea 235mm would make it quite hard to run as every1 has
1/10th and 1/8th...or 1/12th if u consider the electric folks.
235mm just isnt that popular otherwise they would make much more to fufill demand.
Greenbox is offline  
Old 09-26-2005, 06:20 PM
  #782  
Tech Adept
 
Greenbox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 134
Default

i mean waaay back there was only 1/8th and 1/12th...1/10 came to cause of popularity of it when it was first introduced.
Greenbox is offline  
Old 09-26-2005, 07:19 PM
  #783  
Tech Master
iTrader: (9)
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Owensboro KY
Posts: 1,175
Trader Rating: 9 (100%+)
Default

Translation error....translation error........translation error...Wil Robinson.....

What does any of this have to do with the MTX-4?
jeff whiting is offline  
Old 09-26-2005, 07:48 PM
  #784  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (34)
 
Riketsu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Florida
Posts: 2,604
Trader Rating: 34 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by jeff whiting
Translation error....translation error........translation error...Wil Robinson.....

What does any of this have to do with the MTX-4?
I'll take a "nothing" for 2000, jeff.
Riketsu is offline  
Old 09-26-2005, 11:38 PM
  #785  
jez
Tech Adept
iTrader: (5)
 
jez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: sydney
Posts: 161
Trader Rating: 5 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by Mike_Swauger
They are going to be a 1deg offset.
why do they make 1 degree offset? We are already running 2 deg offset, now we have to buy and run 1 deg offset tyres. Now I really have to write down the numbers of the offsets as well as the shore on the tyres....
jez is offline  
Old 09-27-2005, 02:06 AM
  #786  
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (29)
 
chookgb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: newcastle
Posts: 994
Trader Rating: 29 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by Mike_Swauger
They are going to be a 1deg offset.
is there a good reason for the change in rim offset as yet again the loyal mugen fast tyres runners like myself have been stung again just like the
mtx-2 to mtx-3 rim change
chookgb is offline  
Old 09-27-2005, 03:23 AM
  #787  
Tech Adept
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Tallinn, Estonia
Posts: 226
Default

Originally Posted by Mike_Swauger
They are going to be a 1deg offset.
Would that be Kelvin, Celsius, Fahrenheit or corner degrees

Since when is wheel offset given in degrees and what does it mean? Are the tyres still round?
olev is offline  
Old 09-27-2005, 03:56 AM
  #788  
Boz
Tech Fanatic
iTrader: (23)
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Perth, Australia
Posts: 991
Trader Rating: 23 (100%+)
Default

1 + 1 = 2
Don't stress.
Boz is offline  
Old 09-27-2005, 04:32 AM
  #789  
Tech Adept
 
terry sturchio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Cheney, KS
Posts: 159
Default

Originally Posted by chookgb
is there a good reason for the change in rim offset as yet again the loyal mugen fast tyres runners like myself have been stung again just like the
mtx-2 to mtx-3 rim change
Yes, I think that they should have stuck with the 2 degree so you can use your fast tires and still shim out if you can't get 2mm offsets. Going back the other way basically renders your 2mm offsets useless unless you sell them out to those still wanting to run the mtx-3's. BTW, that will be me, so if you have some tires to offload send me a PM with some prices Tires are a big issue for me, since you will most likely spend more on them in one season than your entire chassis and replacement parts.
terry sturchio is offline  
Old 09-27-2005, 04:46 AM
  #790  
Tech Adept
 
terry sturchio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Cheney, KS
Posts: 159
Default

Originally Posted by olev
Would that be Kelvin, Celsius, Fahrenheit or corner degrees

Since when is wheel offset given in degrees and what does it mean? Are the tyres still round?
Yes the offset is really in mm but is often referred to in degrees. Don't know how that got started. If you really don't know what offset is, here is the answer. The offset is a change to the standard hub which moves the hub a set distance (1mm, 2mm) closer to the inside of the wheel, essentially giving the car a wider stance without sacrificing the area of contact with the wheel hex on the hub recess that happens when using spacers. Trying to run the MTX-3 without 2mm offsets will result in an interference with the rear uprights and inside of the rim as the car was designed for the 2mm offsets. I think it was just a way to reduce the overall width of the main chassis ever so slightly while still maintaining a full 200mm stance. Otherwise I cant' see a real reason to do it. To run the 0mm offset tires (nitro shoes) on the MTX-3 you have to run a 2mm spacer under the wheel hex to use them. It works but you sacrifice hex contact which is weaker if you hit something. The alternative is to put a 2mm washer between the hex and bearing on the inside. This only works for clamping style hubs, but I beleive those are standard Mugen parts.

Is there a way to go back the other way and use 2mm offsets on a 1 degree car?
terry sturchio is offline  
Old 09-27-2005, 05:34 AM
  #791  
Tech Initiate
 
RC_Greg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Montreal
Posts: 24
Mugen in the US

Hi Guys,

Which are the best online places to get Mugen kits and spares?
thanks!
RC_Greg is offline  
Old 09-27-2005, 06:38 AM
  #792  
Tech Adept
 
terry sturchio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Cheney, KS
Posts: 159
Default

Originally Posted by RC_Greg
Hi Guys,

Which are the best online places to get Mugen kits and spares?
thanks!
I like nitrohouse.com and speed tech .

Of course I try to buy as much as possible locally to support, but not too much in the way of Mugen dealers around here.
terry sturchio is offline  
Old 09-27-2005, 06:51 AM
  #793  
Tech Master
iTrader: (6)
 
choisan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 1,928
Trader Rating: 6 (100%+)
Default

i bought my M11 when it was launched from rc-champ.co.jp. when i went to japan, different shops sell in different discount. typically from 20 to 30% off from list price. of course, you have to add tax and freight. And pro-s-futaba also sell overseas. from what i heard, this one is deviated from mugen staff. but price-wise, something like 5% more than typical discount. but they are specialized in kawahara too.
you may also try www.rakuseimodel.co.jp, they have an email contact [email protected]
these shops are located mostly in akihabara, where very famous in buying electronics stuff in tokyo. they are quite well in scale and set up.
or there is a hk's called rcmodel.com.hk
remember, these are FOR INFO only.
choisan is offline  
Old 09-27-2005, 10:07 AM
  #794  
Tech Elite
iTrader: (28)
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Henderson, NV
Posts: 4,166
Trader Rating: 28 (100%+)
Default

Originally Posted by terry sturchio
Yes the offset is really in mm but is often referred to in degrees. Don't know how that got started. If you really don't know what offset is, here is the answer. The offset is a change to the standard hub which moves the hub a set distance (1mm, 2mm) closer to the inside of the wheel, essentially giving the car a wider stance without sacrificing the area of contact with the wheel hex on the hub recess that happens when using spacers. Trying to run the MTX-3 without 2mm offsets will result in an interference with the rear uprights and inside of the rim as the car was designed for the 2mm offsets. I think it was just a way to reduce the overall width of the main chassis ever so slightly while still maintaining a full 200mm stance. Otherwise I cant' see a real reason to do it. To run the 0mm offset tires (nitro shoes) on the MTX-3 you have to run a 2mm spacer under the wheel hex to use them. It works but you sacrifice hex contact which is weaker if you hit something. The alternative is to put a 2mm washer between the hex and bearing on the inside. This only works for clamping style hubs, but I beleive those are standard Mugen parts.

Is there a way to go back the other way and use 2mm offsets on a 1 degree car?
I ran 0 offset wheels many times on my MTX3. The only cruddy thing about that is you need to turn the pillow balls out to get you car width out to 199-200mm. When switching back and forth between 0 and 2 mm wheels, you have to adjust pillow balls, steering linkage and camber links every time. I finally just stuck with Fast and Kawahara that way I just bolt on the tires.

Weird thing was when I started buying GQ tires, I was ordering the 2deg offset. Even with the pillow balls turned in all the way, the car was still too wide. I had to run the 0 offset wheels to pass tech.
Scott Fisher is offline  
Old 09-27-2005, 10:42 AM
  #795  
Tech Master
 
ROBBIE C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Sunny Cali race land.
Posts: 1,217
Default

Originally Posted by chookgb
is there a good reason for the change in rim offset as yet again the loyal mugen fast tyres runners like myself have been stung again just like the
mtx-2 to mtx-3 rim change
Sorry it's because the length of the arms.
ROBBIE C is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.