finally a Xray 1/8
12-23-2010, 10:52 AM
#46
It doesn't matter what it is made from - you are still going to be paying through your nose. X-Ray = BIG $$$$$
12-23-2010, 10:52 AM
#47
Congrats to xray and mike!!!!! That was a hell of a signing!!!! Now he is in faster cars it is going to be on this year. Paul,Ralph, and mike how can anybody in the USA match that? I still remember the show mike put on at 301 in the Capitol classic. 17 sec laps at 301 that was stuipd fast. Will mike stay with novarossi or will he run maxpower!!
Thanks Drew
12-23-2010, 10:53 AM
#48
12-23-2010, 10:54 AM
#49
Tech Regular
12-23-2010, 10:54 AM
#50
If machining alu bulkheads is so cheap, why would a slightly bigger mould kost 100K$..? Think they really used plastic because its really cheap, man hours are a lot less.
Why is a bulkhead from a Capricorn around 50 dollar and an xray around 8 dollar.
Either way, i think it all has to do with marketing. Aluminum bulkheads etc. are far better for 99% of the drivers, will see what the future brings.
Why is a bulkhead from a Capricorn around 50 dollar and an xray around 8 dollar.
Either way, i think it all has to do with marketing. Aluminum bulkheads etc. are far better for 99% of the drivers, will see what the future brings.
I have to disagree with you...
Molds cost ALOT more than CNC Machining.
So the break-even point (where the sales turn into profits) are ALOT higher when using molds.
Thats why companies have changed to CNC machining. They can make profit right from the first few pieces they sell. And the most important reason why cnc machining is superior is because they can change the design without having to invest in a new mold. They can just reprogram the CNC machine to a new design.
One mold can cost up to 5k vs a cnc machine can cost around that price, but can be programmed to machine all the bulkheads and other aluminum parts with the same machine.
12-23-2010, 10:57 AM
#51
Tech Regular
Ok, but then i still dont know why that should make a car slower or that the car would break down faster. That was the point.
12-23-2010, 10:58 AM
#52
12-23-2010, 11:04 AM
#53
Tech Regular
A cnc machine they use will be around 300.000 dollar and they are setup for a few parts, not the hole line. Also they are not all automated with a loading robot.. so, man hours.
I designed my own small tabletop mill, that`s a machine of xyz 8x4x3.5 inch...
That one only costs 15.000+ dollar...
Xray just dont switch because they have all the money in the moulding machines.
Drive xray by the way, so aint trying to bash them, just dont agree on some marketing principles.
12-23-2010, 11:07 AM
#54
Tech Regular
Really then you have to go of the track so hard... that doesn`t happen too much nowadays..
12-23-2010, 11:09 AM
#55
Tech Apprentice
yield strength of aluminum is different than that of a good plastic mixture, meaning when you hit something (depending on impact force) aluminum part will most likely not return to its original shape and you end up with tweak sometimes not even noticing it. If it was only about the durability, why not use aluminum everywhere, arms etc...
12-23-2010, 11:12 AM
#56
Tech Regular
yield strength of aluminum is different than that of a good plastic mixture, meaning when you hit something (depending on impact force) aluminum part will most likely not return to its original shape and you end up with tweak sometimes not even noticing it. If it was only about the durability, why not use aluminum everywhere, arms etc...
Last edited by rbakker; 12-23-2010 at 11:15 AM. Reason: langauge barrier
12-23-2010, 11:13 AM
#57
Drew
12-23-2010, 11:19 AM
#58
Tech Regular
It`s so clear... problem is we started to believe it ourselfs..
12-23-2010, 11:24 AM
#59
Tech Apprentice
BTW, Xray has more cnc than moulding machines in house. I was at the factory several times in the past, most recently month ago. You can also see it in their catalog. So your argument doesn't hold. But you're free to come up with your reasoning...
12-23-2010, 11:31 AM
#60
Tech Regular
So then forget about the moulding machines..