2011 1/8 On-Road IFMAR World Championships, Miami
04-12-2011, 12:13 PM
#811
Speedos last year....batteries this year (and speedos AGAIN!)...next year probably something different! LOL
Missed you at the race.....Could have suffered right along with me! LOL
EA
04-12-2011, 12:29 PM
#813
Thanks for the update, LiveRC does not clearly indicate if it is practice or qualifier
04-12-2011, 12:55 PM
#816
What about the Drag reduction system DRS?
04-12-2011, 01:05 PM
#817
Bs rules are the same thing that is killing f1. Stop crying about tire sauce and race. The top drivers will beat the lesser drivers anyway so why does it matter. 1.4 liter 4 cylinder turbo in f1 really!!!!! Lol what's next brushless motors with lipo batteries and boost!!! this is the f1 class of Rc stop crying and race. This class should have limited rules.
this is the f1 class of Rc stop crying and race. This class should have limited rules.
04-12-2011, 01:06 PM
#818
At last years 1/10 200mm EC in Gothenburg, Sweden, EFRA said that they had a "sniffer". When racers wanted to test their tires EFRA said that they didn't have it with them.
According to info on this forum, IFMAR is now saying that there sniffer got broken in transit to the US.
Has any racer ever seen this piece of equipment?
Best
Mackan
According to info on this forum, IFMAR is now saying that there sniffer got broken in transit to the US.
Has any racer ever seen this piece of equipment?
Best
Mackan
04-12-2011, 01:09 PM
#819
2008 ISTC same had problems ,
after 3 qualify said change rules ,
4/6 to 3/6 , & can buy more tires set to race !
Final need buy a new control tire !
after 3 qualify said change rules ,
4/6 to 3/6 , & can buy more tires set to race !
Final need buy a new control tire !
04-12-2011, 01:28 PM
#820
tire story
In order to stop all the accusations, and rumours about IFMAR's decisions, i will publish here the official IFMAR statement concerning this matter.
It is also NOT true that drivers have not been warned, an official writing from the Chairman was send out to all the blocs, with a warning of severe punishment. If the Blocs did not communicate this to their federations/drivers, it says a lot about their internal communication....
Here is the statement:
IFMAR INTERNATIONAL JURY DECISION
Homestead, USA, 12th of April 2011
Earlier this year a message was send to the blocs regarding tire treatment in 1/8th Scale IC Track.
Tire treatment must not be allowed. Like in the IFMAR rules for 1/10th and 1/5th.. This was also discussed in Pattaya last year, but forgotten to be implemented in the rules..
Yesterday April 11th this was discussed once more between the blocs during a meeting. Everybody is still in agreement that tire treatment is a bad development for the sport and must not be allowed..
Unfortunately there are a few additives on the market, almost impossible to detect with equipment on the track. The only way to get confirmation about treatment with those additives is by sending them to a lab.
Yesterday we received a protest from one USA driver against the spraying of the tires, which was not accepted.
Today we received another protest from Italy showing that a few brands of tires is suffering of glue getting affected, causing the rings of the tire to split.
The Italian protest was also offering help in setting up a controlled tire area. Because of the possible implications of this protest the race was stopped.
After discussions within the IFMAR International Jury and with the drivers the following has been agreed with a majority vote.
Tire treatment is forbidden.
Today Tuesday 12th, we will not run qualifying rounds. Tuesday afternoon we will run 1-6 and 13 till 7 starting from 14.45 hours as practice
A controlled tire area will be set up for Qualifying starting at Wednesday. A total of 4 rounds of Qualifying will be run on the remaining Wednesday/Thursday if weather permits.
The controlled tire Area will be located near the Technical inspection Area.
Drivers are advised to bring their tires at least 1 hour before their heat to the officials. Tires must be new, out of the box, not trued. Minimum diameter 66mm front and 74mm rear. This will be checked and noted.
They can be trued in the controlled Area to the right size and have to given back to the officials who will check them again and put them in a plastic back with their registration number and heat number.
They will be stored in boxes with the heat number.
You can put a maximum of 10 tires in a bag.
Tires not used stay in the bag and will be available for the next round.
This box will be available in the controlled pit area when the heat is due to run.
The checking and controlling in the controlled tire area will be done by IFMAR officials, or appointed IFMAR officials.
Note,
It is very sad to see that tire treatment is available, even here on the track by drivers who know on forehand that it could not be used.
They have gambled and hoped that it would be allowed due to the none availability of detecting equipment.
It is even sadder that this small group of drivers is responsible for the delays that now have occurred.
In the past a small group of drivers was also the reason we had to make a decision on the use of controlled fuel, because drivers were cheating.
Now this group might be responsible for the introduction of a controlled tire in the future.
An IFMAR World Championship has 150 till 180 drivers. The majority of them being an amateur, who has to pay 4000 till 5000 USD to run in such an event. Without them there is no World Championship. This small group of so called professional drivers should realize this.
Sander de Graaf
IFMAR IC Section Chairman.
I hope this will give a positive contribution to the debate. It would be a pity to see the WC won by a chemical aid...
Willy Wuyts EFRA/IFMAR Liason officer
It is also NOT true that drivers have not been warned, an official writing from the Chairman was send out to all the blocs, with a warning of severe punishment. If the Blocs did not communicate this to their federations/drivers, it says a lot about their internal communication....
Here is the statement:
IFMAR INTERNATIONAL JURY DECISION
Homestead, USA, 12th of April 2011
Earlier this year a message was send to the blocs regarding tire treatment in 1/8th Scale IC Track.
Tire treatment must not be allowed. Like in the IFMAR rules for 1/10th and 1/5th.. This was also discussed in Pattaya last year, but forgotten to be implemented in the rules..
Yesterday April 11th this was discussed once more between the blocs during a meeting. Everybody is still in agreement that tire treatment is a bad development for the sport and must not be allowed..
Unfortunately there are a few additives on the market, almost impossible to detect with equipment on the track. The only way to get confirmation about treatment with those additives is by sending them to a lab.
Yesterday we received a protest from one USA driver against the spraying of the tires, which was not accepted.
Today we received another protest from Italy showing that a few brands of tires is suffering of glue getting affected, causing the rings of the tire to split.
The Italian protest was also offering help in setting up a controlled tire area. Because of the possible implications of this protest the race was stopped.
After discussions within the IFMAR International Jury and with the drivers the following has been agreed with a majority vote.
Tire treatment is forbidden.
Today Tuesday 12th, we will not run qualifying rounds. Tuesday afternoon we will run 1-6 and 13 till 7 starting from 14.45 hours as practice
A controlled tire area will be set up for Qualifying starting at Wednesday. A total of 4 rounds of Qualifying will be run on the remaining Wednesday/Thursday if weather permits.
The controlled tire Area will be located near the Technical inspection Area.
Drivers are advised to bring their tires at least 1 hour before their heat to the officials. Tires must be new, out of the box, not trued. Minimum diameter 66mm front and 74mm rear. This will be checked and noted.
They can be trued in the controlled Area to the right size and have to given back to the officials who will check them again and put them in a plastic back with their registration number and heat number.
They will be stored in boxes with the heat number.
You can put a maximum of 10 tires in a bag.
Tires not used stay in the bag and will be available for the next round.
This box will be available in the controlled pit area when the heat is due to run.
The checking and controlling in the controlled tire area will be done by IFMAR officials, or appointed IFMAR officials.
Note,
It is very sad to see that tire treatment is available, even here on the track by drivers who know on forehand that it could not be used.
They have gambled and hoped that it would be allowed due to the none availability of detecting equipment.
It is even sadder that this small group of drivers is responsible for the delays that now have occurred.
In the past a small group of drivers was also the reason we had to make a decision on the use of controlled fuel, because drivers were cheating.
Now this group might be responsible for the introduction of a controlled tire in the future.
An IFMAR World Championship has 150 till 180 drivers. The majority of them being an amateur, who has to pay 4000 till 5000 USD to run in such an event. Without them there is no World Championship. This small group of so called professional drivers should realize this.
Sander de Graaf
IFMAR IC Section Chairman.
I hope this will give a positive contribution to the debate. It would be a pity to see the WC won by a chemical aid...
Willy Wuyts EFRA/IFMAR Liason officer
04-12-2011, 01:29 PM
#821
yes, EFRA's sniffer has been borrowed from the Italians and this year I thing they bought one just like that one...
But the problem is that it doesnt detect all the sauces, so it's pretty much useless. The only solution is to allow the additive or to allow just one kind of tyre for everyone, like fuel, kept in a secured place off course....
But the problem is that it doesnt detect all the sauces, so it's pretty much useless. The only solution is to allow the additive or to allow just one kind of tyre for everyone, like fuel, kept in a secured place off course....
04-12-2011, 01:43 PM
#823
Tech Adept
Additives
Roelof....not all additives are "tire" additives, therefore, they do NOT all share the same "common" ingredient. That being said, they may all provide added grip though.
04-12-2011, 01:47 PM
#824
The same Pietsch that mentioned on RedRC he was anoyed he was accussed on this matter?....
Well, if in the next rounds of qualifing he will not be at the top, I know enough...
Last edited by M7H; 04-12-2011 at 01:58 PM.