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Old 06-02-2010, 12:28 PM   #271
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I am wondering....

Do they include something like a setup book like the Xray and Serpent cars?
More and more setup options are put in these cars and it would be nice if all is explained in a book.
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I am wondering....

Do they include something like a setup book like the Xray and Serpent cars?
More and more setup options are put in these cars and it would be nice if all is explained in a book.
who needs a book all you need is a 2mm 2.5mm 3mm & your good to go
but if it is like the Denny's menu with full pictures that's a plus
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Old 06-02-2010, 06:23 PM   #273
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A book!!!

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I find that new drivers are always after a quick fix to a problem. But when they ask you a question and you give them an answer, they follow with a response of...

"but the book said this" or "this driver said that"

"SO WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME"

These days I'm getting to the stage where I'm getting them to make a change and write it down what they think it has done to the car (good or bad), then use it as a reference point.

These days I'm doing some 1/10th off-road electric (where I started my racing). When ever drivers ask me for some advice, my first question to them will be "what is your ride height set at" there reply is "I don't know"


Then I'll start with the importance for keeping track of your own adjustment, both good and bad. Start learning about your chassis.


At times, I think that I'm the only one at the track with a ride height gauge.

The book can be good, but sometime we interpret things differently to each other.
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Old 06-02-2010, 06:43 PM   #274
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These days I'm getting to the stage where I'm getting them to make a change and write it down what they think it has done to the car (good or bad), then use it as a reference point.
I agree with you except for this part. To me, an adjustment isn't good or bad. I want to know what it did to the car so that if somewhere down the road I need the car to do that, I know what to do. An adjustment might be bad for current conditions but that doesn't mean I will never do it again.

So many times someone has looked at my car and seen something unusual about my set-up and wondered how I can drive it like that. I ask them if they ever tried it and they say yes, it sucked. But what did it make the car do? I don't know, I just didn't like they say.

That's great, you have discovered an adjustment that did not work for you on that day but totally failed to take note of what effect it had on the car so you have no idea if it might work for you under different circumstances and are denying yourself a possible tuning option for some future problem.

So I say, no such thing as a bad adjustment. Merely adjustments that do this and adjustments that do that.
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Old 06-02-2010, 07:15 PM   #275
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Gee, you read into things to much.

Which part of reply did i say, not to try the bad adjustment again?

2 wrong adjustments could make a right. Who's knows.


Sorry, 2 adjustments that did not work for you on that day could might work for you under different circumstances on another day.


It must be that time of the month for me. NO RACING.
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A book!!!

Lazy

I find that new drivers are always after a quick fix to a problem. But when they ask you a question and you give them an answer, they follow with a response of...

"but the book said this" or "this driver said that"

"SO WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME"

These days I'm getting to the stage where I'm getting them to make a change and write it down what they think it has done to the car (good or bad), then use it as a reference point.

These days I'm doing some 1/10th off-road electric (where I started my racing). When ever drivers ask me for some advice, my first question to them will be "what is your ride height set at" there reply is "I don't know"


Then I'll start with the importance for keeping track of your own adjustment, both good and bad. Start learning about your chassis.


At times, I think that I'm the only one at the track with a ride height gauge.

The book can be good, but sometime we interpret things differently to each other.
I have to agree that there is no magical cure-all fix. I believe the best setup is the Manufacturer base setup and then tune from that point and understand how the car reacts (take notes). The Xray and XXX book should cover all definitions of chassis tuning

The best advise I give a newbie is to SLOW-DOWN AND HIT YOUR SPOTS AT EVERY TURN. When I first started; my fastest qualifier was when my chassis was draging on the ground.
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SLOW-DOWN AND HIT YOUR SPOTS AT EVERY TURN.

I am sure that these "SPOTS" your talking about are located on the back of my car.


I hope Mugen have managed to remove these so called "SPOTS" from the MRX5.


Few more sleeps to go and counting......
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The best advise I give a newbie is to SLOW-DOWN AND HIT YOUR SPOTS AT EVERY TURN.
Bingo. The best advise I ever heard was someone quoting Frank Calandra (I think that's who he said told him). He said "where you are on the track is far more important than how fast you are going at that point." Translation, slow and tight is faster than fast and wide.
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I am wondering....

Do they include something like a setup book like the Xray and Serpent cars?
More and more setup options are put in these cars and it would be nice if all is explained in a book.
Excellent idea for the other makers to do the same thing. I have used the Hudy setup book to help me many times.

After a while you will learn what changes help and which ones don't. Reading to learn is so much faster than experimenting.

The basic setup sheet that comes with a kit is very helpful in getting a new driver started, but he could improve his skills a lot faster if all these adjustments were explained to him. I think that is what Roelof is suggesting.
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Sorry Boz, not disagreeing with your statements, just your terminology

I just hear from people all the time about some set-up "doesn't work". So they refuse to believe that it could work. It really bugs me.
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I am sure that these "SPOTS" your talking about are located on the back of my car.


I hope Mugen have managed to remove these so called "SPOTS" from the MRX5.


Few more sleeps to go and counting......
Hate to say. A spot is a spot no matter where it is located
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Bingo. The best advise I ever heard was someone quoting Frank Calandra (I think that's who he said told him). He said "where you are on the track is far more important than how fast you are going at that point." Translation, slow and tight is faster than fast and wide.
where you are on the track is far more important than how fast you are going at that point." Translation, slow and tight is faster than fast and wide.............................................. .................this is so true but hard to do at times,but ALWAYS in my mind. I thought Ron P was quoted once saying that also.
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where you are on the track is far more important than how fast you are going at that point." Translation, slow and tight is faster than fast and wide.............................................. .................this is so true but hard to do at times,but ALWAYS in my mind. I thought Ron P was quoted once saying that also.
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The best setup book in the world is YOUR OWN PEN AND PAPER with YOUR OWN TRIAL and ERA! IMO
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