European 2wd 1/8th pan car on-road Classic class
#2836
Hmm
Another quick note on pan...looking at my tires, I think they have another full weekend on them. They were used 4wd tires at the beginning of the year....I've never seen so little tire wear in my life, but then again, I'm running 45 fronts and 40 rears and I'm not having any traction issues. Not even when the track was a little slick from the rain did I have too many problems. And since I can run the things all the way to the pan (since my rims are just a hair below the pan) I'm getting full value out of the foam. Sweet!
#2837
Hm
Here's a good one....
I noticed, both at Toledo and at Portage, that the car didn't have all I'd like on the backstraight. Our build has gear options but none that go in the direction we need. Hm.
So Tom looks at the thing and suggests I use an Edam gear on it, maybe make a hub since there are some differences in the sizes of the gears. Yeah, that's workable...but then he suggested I just put the entire Edam gear assembly on it. I had to cut down a spare lay shaft since I didn't have a drill bit that'd cut a hole for a pin, but believe it or not...perfect fit. Perfect mesh. I installed the stuff, and I may have to change it later, since I made a rather large change in tooth count, but I have a LOT of Edam gears, pinion and spur. Even if I've gone too far in gear ratio, I should be able to shove a gear on it that'll have a happy balance between top and low ends. I'm just so amazed that the lay shaft out of the Edam is the exact same size as the one out of a Kyosho GT, I strongly suspect that the same assembly out of any car would have worked just as well.
I noticed, both at Toledo and at Portage, that the car didn't have all I'd like on the backstraight. Our build has gear options but none that go in the direction we need. Hm.
So Tom looks at the thing and suggests I use an Edam gear on it, maybe make a hub since there are some differences in the sizes of the gears. Yeah, that's workable...but then he suggested I just put the entire Edam gear assembly on it. I had to cut down a spare lay shaft since I didn't have a drill bit that'd cut a hole for a pin, but believe it or not...perfect fit. Perfect mesh. I installed the stuff, and I may have to change it later, since I made a rather large change in tooth count, but I have a LOT of Edam gears, pinion and spur. Even if I've gone too far in gear ratio, I should be able to shove a gear on it that'll have a happy balance between top and low ends. I'm just so amazed that the lay shaft out of the Edam is the exact same size as the one out of a Kyosho GT, I strongly suspect that the same assembly out of any car would have worked just as well.
#2840
Heh
Also, I've received a few orders for the three shoe Edam clutch setup for guys running pan. Joe P ran it and was well pleased...I ran it in Portage and it keeps the r's up while delivering the power properly when needed, and with so little wear I can barely notice it. One of the neatest parts about it is it'll fit almost any application and accept most everybodies pinions, and I've always been a big fan of multi-use stuff. It's probably I was such a big fan of AMC in the day.....
#2841
I have plenty of rubber....and I screwed up huge. In my haste to get things ready, I went completely the wrong way on gearing and made it worse, so I had to withdraw the car from running. More proof of my increased stupidity as I get older. I know how to fix it, but I'll have to make another pan and some corrections to make it right...I'm just really irritated at how I made such a screwup in the first place. Based on how it ran at Portage, I'm prepared to stack it up against any other car (other than an old Delta, that is) in terms of durability and handling, I just have to get the speed issue nailed is all.
Also, I've received a few orders for the three shoe Edam clutch setup for guys running pan. Joe P ran it and was well pleased...I ran it in Portage and it keeps the r's up while delivering the power properly when needed, and with so little wear I can barely notice it. One of the neatest parts about it is it'll fit almost any application and accept most everybodies pinions, and I've always been a big fan of multi-use stuff. It's probably I was such a big fan of AMC in the day.....
Also, I've received a few orders for the three shoe Edam clutch setup for guys running pan. Joe P ran it and was well pleased...I ran it in Portage and it keeps the r's up while delivering the power properly when needed, and with so little wear I can barely notice it. One of the neatest parts about it is it'll fit almost any application and accept most everybodies pinions, and I've always been a big fan of multi-use stuff. It's probably I was such a big fan of AMC in the day.....
#2842
Tech Regular
Is it just me, or does everyone go to sleep while talking about Edam stuff?
#2843
#2844
Hm
Sorry, I was asleep....what's that you say??
#2846
#2847
Tech Initiate
HPI Proceed 2wd
Here is my take on the pan car. I built it using a HPI Proceed I know it is not "a true pan" because I still have suspension. but it is a good proof of concept.
I built the diff using the Proceed spool, removing the inner support leaving only the outer ring. Then built a support ring to hold the differential from a HPI RS4-3/HPI super nitro rally, and joined everything together using some JB weld. Using some o-rings and some RTV I was able to seal the diff allowing for diff fluid to be used.
The spur gear is from an ofna buggy which fit perfectly on the rear shaft of the Proceed. The clutch bell is also from an Ofna buggy. In order for the diff to fit into the Proceed I had to make some bearing cups to accept the smaller bearings. There was little bit of rubbing so had to make some minor modifications but was able to get the diff to drop into the Proceed.
Eventually I would like to make the diff and bearing cups using a 3-D printer, but for some parts I had sitting around it looks OK. I'll let you know how it handles the .21
X
I built the diff using the Proceed spool, removing the inner support leaving only the outer ring. Then built a support ring to hold the differential from a HPI RS4-3/HPI super nitro rally, and joined everything together using some JB weld. Using some o-rings and some RTV I was able to seal the diff allowing for diff fluid to be used.
The spur gear is from an ofna buggy which fit perfectly on the rear shaft of the Proceed. The clutch bell is also from an Ofna buggy. In order for the diff to fit into the Proceed I had to make some bearing cups to accept the smaller bearings. There was little bit of rubbing so had to make some minor modifications but was able to get the diff to drop into the Proceed.
Eventually I would like to make the diff and bearing cups using a 3-D printer, but for some parts I had sitting around it looks OK. I'll let you know how it handles the .21
X
#2848
Here is my take on the pan car. I built it using a HPI Proceed I know it is not "a true pan" because I still have suspension. but it is a good proof of concept.
I built the diff using the Proceed spool, removing the inner support leaving only the outer ring. Then built a support ring to hold the differential from a HPI RS4-3/HPI super nitro rally, and joined everything together using some JB weld. Using some o-rings and some RTV I was able to seal the diff allowing for diff fluid to be used.
The spur gear is from an ofna buggy which fit perfectly on the rear shaft of the Proceed. The clutch bell is also from an Ofna buggy. In order for the diff to fit into the Proceed I had to make some bearing cups to accept the smaller bearings. There was little bit of rubbing so had to make some minor modifications but was able to get the diff to drop into the Proceed.
Eventually I would like to make the diff and bearing cups using a 3-D printer, but for some parts I had sitting around it looks OK. I'll let you know how it handles the .21
X
I built the diff using the Proceed spool, removing the inner support leaving only the outer ring. Then built a support ring to hold the differential from a HPI RS4-3/HPI super nitro rally, and joined everything together using some JB weld. Using some o-rings and some RTV I was able to seal the diff allowing for diff fluid to be used.
The spur gear is from an ofna buggy which fit perfectly on the rear shaft of the Proceed. The clutch bell is also from an Ofna buggy. In order for the diff to fit into the Proceed I had to make some bearing cups to accept the smaller bearings. There was little bit of rubbing so had to make some minor modifications but was able to get the diff to drop into the Proceed.
Eventually I would like to make the diff and bearing cups using a 3-D printer, but for some parts I had sitting around it looks OK. I'll let you know how it handles the .21
X
#2849
JB
Did you use "Quick Weld" or regular? The regular has better properties im my experience....
#2850
.I used the regular...it held for a few runs..then let go.....I thought I was done for the day then Mastermind Davis to the rescue...did the 'ole blacksmith trick...peened the aluminum hub (you made) corners over the end with a punch and hammer...Genius Rick is...