52LikesEuropean 2wd 1/8th pan car on-road Classic class
01-23-2012, 04:32 AM
#1186
A few thoughts
Supposedly we're running a pan class in the Midwest Series this year. I took my old Super J to a few club races and it did really well against the SG's, I plan to run it this year as well as a four wheel drive, but.....
A buddy of mine decided to go GT...we tried out the Kyosho and while decent laps were turned, it's a hunk of crap, from the clutch to the original two speed to the survivability issues. HOWEVER....
We've figured out a better build from the buggy class and now have a car that I think is going to be indestructible, we tooled some upgrade parts in the shop for it and it's now "delta-fied." (Used to race for Delta back in the day and that's what we called it when it was bulletproof.)
As our benchmark, we set a price of 650 complete for everything. And that's for two cars basically, the four wheel drive truck AND a GT onroad. I don't know myself if GT will get completely off the ground or not due to interest in general, but as far as price and durability go, it'll be hard to beat. Run it onroad, then if you've an offroad coming up, change some stuff back out (about 1 hour of work) and you're ready to go. We kept the budget down as much as possible just to see if we could keep it under most other cars rolling chassis, which meant buying a few things off Ebay, but it's a car that'll break the 20 second lap and goes a lot faster and is more durable than that RTR thing Kyosho puts out. All parts availible in the U.S. as well. We're going to run it in the Midwest this year, see what it'll do and post back here with results, I have high hopes it'll be a practical alternative for those who don't have a few grand to dump into a mugen/novarossi. I also have high hopes pan class will make a comeback for the same reasons...it was pretty funny to see my 34 year old Super J keep up and pass brand new SG's....and that was also running a 30 year old motor, 30 year old tires, 30 year old servos...you get the idea. I reckon it's fine for those with $$ to burn but I remember really good racing from "back in the day," which didn't cost an arm and a leg and you didn't spend all your time between races wrenching or truing tires.
A buddy of mine decided to go GT...we tried out the Kyosho and while decent laps were turned, it's a hunk of crap, from the clutch to the original two speed to the survivability issues. HOWEVER....
We've figured out a better build from the buggy class and now have a car that I think is going to be indestructible, we tooled some upgrade parts in the shop for it and it's now "delta-fied." (Used to race for Delta back in the day and that's what we called it when it was bulletproof.)
As our benchmark, we set a price of 650 complete for everything. And that's for two cars basically, the four wheel drive truck AND a GT onroad. I don't know myself if GT will get completely off the ground or not due to interest in general, but as far as price and durability go, it'll be hard to beat. Run it onroad, then if you've an offroad coming up, change some stuff back out (about 1 hour of work) and you're ready to go. We kept the budget down as much as possible just to see if we could keep it under most other cars rolling chassis, which meant buying a few things off Ebay, but it's a car that'll break the 20 second lap and goes a lot faster and is more durable than that RTR thing Kyosho puts out. All parts availible in the U.S. as well. We're going to run it in the Midwest this year, see what it'll do and post back here with results, I have high hopes it'll be a practical alternative for those who don't have a few grand to dump into a mugen/novarossi. I also have high hopes pan class will make a comeback for the same reasons...it was pretty funny to see my 34 year old Super J keep up and pass brand new SG's....and that was also running a 30 year old motor, 30 year old tires, 30 year old servos...you get the idea. I reckon it's fine for those with $$ to burn but I remember really good racing from "back in the day," which didn't cost an arm and a leg and you didn't spend all your time between races wrenching or truing tires.
01-23-2012, 09:38 AM
#1187
Supposedly we're running a pan class in the Midwest Series this year. I took my old Super J to a few club races and it did really well against the SG's, I plan to run it this year as well as a four wheel drive, but.....
A buddy of mine decided to go GT...we tried out the Kyosho and while decent laps were turned, it's a hunk of crap, from the clutch to the original two speed to the survivability issues. HOWEVER....
We've figured out a better build from the buggy class and now have a car that I think is going to be indestructible, we tooled some upgrade parts in the shop for it and it's now "delta-fied." (Used to race for Delta back in the day and that's what we called it when it was bulletproof.)
As our benchmark, we set a price of 650 complete for everything. And that's for two cars basically, the four wheel drive truck AND a GT onroad. I don't know myself if GT will get completely off the ground or not due to interest in general, but as far as price and durability go, it'll be hard to beat. Run it onroad, then if you've an offroad coming up, change some stuff back out (about 1 hour of work) and you're ready to go. We kept the budget down as much as possible just to see if we could keep it under most other cars rolling chassis, which meant buying a few things off Ebay, but it's a car that'll break the 20 second lap and goes a lot faster and is more durable than that RTR thing Kyosho puts out. All parts availible in the U.S. as well. We're going to run it in the Midwest this year, see what it'll do and post back here with results, I have high hopes it'll be a practical alternative for those who don't have a few grand to dump into a mugen/novarossi. I also have high hopes pan class will make a comeback for the same reasons...it was pretty funny to see my 34 year old Super J keep up and pass brand new SG's....and that was also running a 30 year old motor, 30 year old tires, 30 year old servos...you get the idea. I reckon it's fine for those with $$ to burn but I remember really good racing from "back in the day," which didn't cost an arm and a leg and you didn't spend all your time between races wrenching or truing tires.
A buddy of mine decided to go GT...we tried out the Kyosho and while decent laps were turned, it's a hunk of crap, from the clutch to the original two speed to the survivability issues. HOWEVER....
We've figured out a better build from the buggy class and now have a car that I think is going to be indestructible, we tooled some upgrade parts in the shop for it and it's now "delta-fied." (Used to race for Delta back in the day and that's what we called it when it was bulletproof.)
As our benchmark, we set a price of 650 complete for everything. And that's for two cars basically, the four wheel drive truck AND a GT onroad. I don't know myself if GT will get completely off the ground or not due to interest in general, but as far as price and durability go, it'll be hard to beat. Run it onroad, then if you've an offroad coming up, change some stuff back out (about 1 hour of work) and you're ready to go. We kept the budget down as much as possible just to see if we could keep it under most other cars rolling chassis, which meant buying a few things off Ebay, but it's a car that'll break the 20 second lap and goes a lot faster and is more durable than that RTR thing Kyosho puts out. All parts availible in the U.S. as well. We're going to run it in the Midwest this year, see what it'll do and post back here with results, I have high hopes it'll be a practical alternative for those who don't have a few grand to dump into a mugen/novarossi. I also have high hopes pan class will make a comeback for the same reasons...it was pretty funny to see my 34 year old Super J keep up and pass brand new SG's....and that was also running a 30 year old motor, 30 year old tires, 30 year old servos...you get the idea. I reckon it's fine for those with $$ to burn but I remember really good racing from "back in the day," which didn't cost an arm and a leg and you didn't spend all your time between races wrenching or truing tires.
Post some pix and more info!!
Ned
01-23-2012, 12:03 PM
#1188
Supposedly we're running a pan class in the Midwest Series this year. I took my old Super J to a few club races and it did really well against the SG's, I plan to run it this year as well as a four wheel drive, but.....
A buddy of mine decided to go GT...we tried out the Kyosho and while decent laps were turned, it's a hunk of crap, from the clutch to the original two speed to the survivability issues. HOWEVER....
We've figured out a better build from the buggy class and now have a car that I think is going to be indestructible, we tooled some upgrade parts in the shop for it and it's now "delta-fied." (Used to race for Delta back in the day and that's what we called it when it was bulletproof.)
As our benchmark, we set a price of 650 complete for everything. And that's for two cars basically, the four wheel drive truck AND a GT onroad. I don't know myself if GT will get completely off the ground or not due to interest in general, but as far as price and durability go, it'll be hard to beat. Run it onroad, then if you've an offroad coming up, change some stuff back out (about 1 hour of work) and you're ready to go. We kept the budget down as much as possible just to see if we could keep it under most other cars rolling chassis, which meant buying a few things off Ebay, but it's a car that'll break the 20 second lap and goes a lot faster and is more durable than that RTR thing Kyosho puts out. All parts availible in the U.S. as well. We're going to run it in the Midwest this year, see what it'll do and post back here with results, I have high hopes it'll be a practical alternative for those who don't have a few grand to dump into a mugen/novarossi. I also have high hopes pan class will make a comeback for the same reasons...it was pretty funny to see my 34 year old Super J keep up and pass brand new SG's....and that was also running a 30 year old motor, 30 year old tires, 30 year old servos...you get the idea. I reckon it's fine for those with $$ to burn but I remember really good racing from "back in the day," which didn't cost an arm and a leg and you didn't spend all your time between races wrenching or truing tires.
A buddy of mine decided to go GT...we tried out the Kyosho and while decent laps were turned, it's a hunk of crap, from the clutch to the original two speed to the survivability issues. HOWEVER....
We've figured out a better build from the buggy class and now have a car that I think is going to be indestructible, we tooled some upgrade parts in the shop for it and it's now "delta-fied." (Used to race for Delta back in the day and that's what we called it when it was bulletproof.)
As our benchmark, we set a price of 650 complete for everything. And that's for two cars basically, the four wheel drive truck AND a GT onroad. I don't know myself if GT will get completely off the ground or not due to interest in general, but as far as price and durability go, it'll be hard to beat. Run it onroad, then if you've an offroad coming up, change some stuff back out (about 1 hour of work) and you're ready to go. We kept the budget down as much as possible just to see if we could keep it under most other cars rolling chassis, which meant buying a few things off Ebay, but it's a car that'll break the 20 second lap and goes a lot faster and is more durable than that RTR thing Kyosho puts out. All parts availible in the U.S. as well. We're going to run it in the Midwest this year, see what it'll do and post back here with results, I have high hopes it'll be a practical alternative for those who don't have a few grand to dump into a mugen/novarossi. I also have high hopes pan class will make a comeback for the same reasons...it was pretty funny to see my 34 year old Super J keep up and pass brand new SG's....and that was also running a 30 year old motor, 30 year old tires, 30 year old servos...you get the idea. I reckon it's fine for those with $$ to burn but I remember really good racing from "back in the day," which didn't cost an arm and a leg and you didn't spend all your time between races wrenching or truing tires.
01-23-2012, 03:27 PM
#1189
.......Joe, you sending plastic to my house or no???....and oh yeah....GREER is getting a pan car..thats another one......will be a great class this year....i'm still working on squishy.....
01-24-2012, 07:36 AM
#1190
Tech Regular
Way to go Matt!!
When you beat us with your 30 year old car, that my friend will be a real fun event, I'm looking forward to that day. I have seen you run your car, but I don't recall you ever race it, am I wrong? Rule 1, you can't win if you don't race.
LET'S RACE!!
LET'S RACE!!
01-25-2012, 07:59 AM
#1191
sounds fun
i agree that will be fun, just too have everyone out there. less parts for gene too break?LOL. found thanks too ned some fiberglass on ebay restocking the hobby budget after buying new throttle servo
01-26-2012, 06:16 PM
#1192
Engines
Here's a link to an Off-Road Engine sale, if anybody needs one:
http://www.amainhobbies.com/advanced...ro-.21-Blowout
http://www.amainhobbies.com/advanced...ro-.21-Blowout
01-28-2012, 12:32 PM
#1193
[QUOTE=aarcobra;10214218]THis sounds interesting but I'm not sure what you are comparing here... Are you talking about Toledo Club Races? What are "SG's? What class are you aiming this at? Pan or GT? I don't know about the GT class rules but have heard (and from what I've seen ;-)) the GT's are a money pit!!!
Post some pix and more info!!
Ned[/QUOTE
They did allow pan to run at the club races, weren't enough drivers at the last club race I attended so they ran the pans with the gt's. A "SG" is a car made in Italy, there were two guys with those, seems SG produces a new pan car that is belt 2wd...doesn't look half bad. And yeah, I think the gt's in their current frame are a money pit, at least the kyosho gt2 is, but it can be improved upon without busting the budget all to hell and back. And it's not a bad handling car, but the original two speed is definitely crap, the two shoe setup is a lot better not to mention more reliable.
Post some pix and more info!!
Ned[/QUOTE
They did allow pan to run at the club races, weren't enough drivers at the last club race I attended so they ran the pans with the gt's. A "SG" is a car made in Italy, there were two guys with those, seems SG produces a new pan car that is belt 2wd...doesn't look half bad. And yeah, I think the gt's in their current frame are a money pit, at least the kyosho gt2 is, but it can be improved upon without busting the budget all to hell and back. And it's not a bad handling car, but the original two speed is definitely crap, the two shoe setup is a lot better not to mention more reliable.
01-28-2012, 12:35 PM
#1194
Hmm...that's odd, if I was running it, I was racing it, am I wrong...lol. Either way, if Toledo allows pan (and last I heard they will) I'll be running my Super J. Now that I have some traction issues figured out since I can get foam and mount my own rubber it should hang pretty well.
01-28-2012, 12:37 PM
#1195
I know if you want to compete in 4wd you have to go modern, and I have done so (echh...belts.) Fielding a new car for this year which'll be my first full season in more than a few years, but there has been interest in trying to bring back pan class, which is a lot cheaper and lots more durable.
01-28-2012, 12:40 PM
#1196
I guess I'm glad I haven't been able to find a MRP Pro 180!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VTG-MRP-PRO-...item27bdbaa759
I can't afford one if the axle is $149!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/VTG-MRP-PRO-...item27bdbaa759
I can't afford one if the axle is $149!!!!!!!!!!!!
01-28-2012, 12:46 PM
#1197
"What ROAR should do is run 2wd for the Masters class! GTs at that. I really don't understand how at ROAR events, an older racer can run the same car in Open and Masters, while the younger racer can only run in Open, just seems crazy to me."
The club and MWS could start this!!!!
The club and MWS could start this!!!!
01-28-2012, 02:14 PM
#1198
masters of speed
Heard that! I'd commit to more races if they did. Maybe the memory is fuzzy but I remember superstock and open class, and I remember some races in superstock starting out when I was in the "G" main...and they had an equal number of entries in open class! Lots more people and most still running at the end of the race, more manufacturers, more everything. I don't know if it's just the economy, so much stuff moving overseas, or what....
01-28-2012, 07:56 PM
#1199
I know if you want to compete in 4wd you have to go modern, and I have done so (echh...belts.) Fielding a new car for this year which'll be my first full season in more than a few years, but there has been interest in trying to bring back pan class, which is a lot cheaper and lots more durable.
01-28-2012, 09:01 PM
#1200
Tech Regular
Wrong Pan
Hmm...that's odd, if I was running it, I was racing it, am I wrong...lol. Either way, if Toledo allows pan (and last I heard they will) I'll be running my Super J. Now that I have some traction issues figured out since I can get foam and mount my own rubber it should hang pretty well.
That shot was at Matts Associated RC 250, sorry if it splashed off onto your Delta car. Are you a Matt too? What you're calling SGs are Motonica P8Cs, they are from Italy also. There are something like 8 of them in Toledo and we will be running Pans in Toledo. Looking forward to racing with you!LET'S RACE!!