European 2wd 1/8th pan car on-road Classic class
#1066
#1067
#1068
Tech Apprentice
iTrader: (6)
As an old 1/8th scale guy im just looking at this class with a slight bit of skepticism.. I think a simpler more cost effective class for beginners/intermediates/sportsman is always a good idea in racing but in actuality it is very difficult to do. The problem seems to always be that racers that dont belong in the entry level/Sportsman type classes get involved and the class ends up morphing into another $$$$pecialty class.
Maybe this class isnt supposed to be that??
Maybe this class isnt supposed to be that??
#1069
fun
As an old 1/8th scale guy im just looking at this class with a slight bit of skepticism.. I think a simpler more cost effective class for beginners/intermediates/sportsman is always a good idea in racing but in actuality it is very difficult to do. The problem seems to always be that racers that dont belong in the entry level/Sportsman type classes get involved and the class ends up morphing into another $$$$pecialty class.
Maybe this class isnt supposed to be that??
Maybe this class isnt supposed to be that??
#1070
Pan Class Skepticism
As an old 1/8th scale guy im just looking at this class with a slight bit of skepticism.. I think a simpler more cost effective class for beginners/intermediates/sportsman is always a good idea in racing but in actuality it is very difficult to do. The problem seems to always be that racers that dont belong in the entry level/Sportsman type classes get involved and the class ends up morphing into another $$$$pecialty class.
Maybe this class isnt supposed to be that??
Maybe this class isnt supposed to be that??
Some of us oldtimers would like to run sedan bodies (older ones, if possible ;-)), but they are about twice the price of the current super-aero bodies, so that's a bummer...
As far as people who "don't belong" getting involved, I would like to think that was me back in the '70's and '80's running SUper Stock. But with good rules and good sportsmanship (maybe hard to find today ) Beginners and Sportsman racers can run together and have good competition. Sometimes unfortunately, you just have to accept that guys who "don't belong" will probably beat you. Somtimes because they are an enough better driver that although the cars are as equal as possible, and somtimes maybe because they spend more or for another reason.
I think our attitude is that we want to race something different and have FUN! So far so good. I think next summer will be even better!!
Ned
#1072
Tech Apprentice
iTrader: (6)
I think your point is a valid one and one I believe should be considered when making rules and discussing this class. It certainly is intended to be more cost effective, and attract beginners and sportsman types. We want to have rules that control costs as much as possible (3 port engines, selling for under $250) but the chassis are kinda high, (IMHO).
Some of us oldtimers would like to run sedan bodies (older ones, if possible ;-)), but they are about twice the price of the current super-aero bodies, so that's a bummer...
As far as people who "don't belong" getting involved, I would like to think that was me back in the '70's and '80's running SUper Stock. But with good rules and good sportsmanship (maybe hard to find today ) Beginners and Sportsman racers can run together and have good competition. Sometimes unfortunately, you just have to accept that guys who "don't belong" will probably beat you. Somtimes because they are an enough better driver that although the cars are as equal as possible, and somtimes maybe because they spend more or for another reason.
I think our attitude is that we want to race something different and have FUN! So far so good. I think next summer will be even better!!
Ned
Some of us oldtimers would like to run sedan bodies (older ones, if possible ;-)), but they are about twice the price of the current super-aero bodies, so that's a bummer...
As far as people who "don't belong" getting involved, I would like to think that was me back in the '70's and '80's running SUper Stock. But with good rules and good sportsmanship (maybe hard to find today ) Beginners and Sportsman racers can run together and have good competition. Sometimes unfortunately, you just have to accept that guys who "don't belong" will probably beat you. Somtimes because they are an enough better driver that although the cars are as equal as possible, and somtimes maybe because they spend more or for another reason.
I think our attitude is that we want to race something different and have FUN! So far so good. I think next summer will be even better!!
Ned
#1073
Well, actually the rules should be centered around driver skill and not the car so much imo. Setting up the class so that you MUST move up with your skill level would be a good way to enforce a "true" Beginner/Intermediate class. So many "Wins" will move you out of the beginner class into the next level. Same with the Intermediate/Sportsman. Its sad to think some really good drivers want to sandbag with a bunch of rookies just to win a trophy. Sorry, not trying to derail the thread.. honestly really looking at the 2wd thing.
#1074
You are dead on right. We run the pan cars and find it fun because they are so crude and close making them a breath of fresh air. I don't see the need to make a rule to keep fast people out of the fun. Anyone who truly is fast in 4wd is just going to be stopping in for a break in the pan car class and not live and die by it. I have run a pan car and by no means is it so I can win. I'm pretty sure I have not even won a pan car race for that matter.
#1075
"Move up"
Not sure what you mean by "my idea of this would be quite a bit simpler"? But unfortunately only a very few manufacturers make cars that will "crossover" to 4wd and they are not the "popular" ones. THey may be the best of the best but it's doubtful many guys going from Pan to 4wd will opt for "upgrading" just to use a very few parts. The wheels/tires. and radio will transfer and the motor would probably be better for most guys but few will run 4wd with a "slow" 3 port!
#1076
Classes
Well, actually the rules should be centered around driver skill and not the car so much imo. Setting up the class so that you MUST move up with your skill level would be a good way to enforce a "true" Beginner/Intermediate class. So many "Wins" will move you out of the beginner class into the next level. Same with the Intermediate/Sportsman. Its sad to think some really good drivers want to sandbag with a bunch of rookies just to win a trophy. Sorry, not trying to derail the thread.. honestly really looking at the 2wd thing.
#1077
Pan Car Fun
You are dead on right. We run the pan cars and find it fun because they are so crude and close making them a breath of fresh air. I don't see the need to make a rule to keep fast people out of the fun. Anyone who truly is fast in 4wd is just going to be stopping in for a break in the pan car class and not live and die by it. I have run a pan car and by no means is it so I can win. I'm pretty sure I have not even won a pan car race for that matter.
To me that is the real point-when there are enough enteries in the Pan class or any class, skill levels sort themselves out. Das will likely beat me by a lap or more in a five minute heat (in any car). If there are 8 to 10 cars, I might come in the top half, if there are two heats, I may even win once in a while!
#1078
As an old 1/8th scale guy im just looking at this class with a slight bit of skepticism.. I think a simpler more cost effective class for beginners/intermediates/sportsman is always a good idea in racing but in actuality it is very difficult to do. The problem seems to always be that racers that dont belong in the entry level/Sportsman type classes get involved and the class ends up morphing into another $$$$pecialty class.
Maybe this class isnt supposed to be that??
Maybe this class isnt supposed to be that??
Last edited by Taylorm; 12-02-2011 at 08:17 PM. Reason: i cant type
#1079
Well, actually the rules should be centered around driver skill and not the car so much imo. Setting up the class so that you MUST move up with your skill level would be a good way to enforce a "true" Beginner/Intermediate class. So many "Wins" will move you out of the beginner class into the next level. Same with the Intermediate/Sportsman. Its sad to think some really good drivers want to sandbag with a bunch of rookies just to win a trophy. Sorry, not trying to derail the thread.. honestly really looking at the 2wd thing.
#1080
non stick pans
the high end guys seem too be having a good time, a nice diversion from the high intensity of open class. and we get too follow and learn some things. i'm all for the more realistic idea