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Old 08-10-2011, 08:56 PM   #586
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I think the motor limits are not needed at this time. Weight rewards could be fun. Add 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 grams per win?
you win...you get 3 ounces...you win every week.....you drive a Sherman tank..........
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I don't know what they do for full size cars, but I would think anything less than 100 grams would have little effect on a car's performance.

Any chance the Toledo club would consider have a pan class at next year's GLC?
hey theres a thought that would really showcase things
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Old 08-11-2011, 12:01 PM   #588
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Instead of trying to track motor costs why don't you just mandate a small carb restrictor and maybe a pipe outlet maximum size - something easy to tech (oops bad word) and how about doing what some of the real car series do - add success weight.
Hey Rick,

Do you still have the pan car you ran at the 77 winter nats in orlando?
The one you machined the whole rear power pod from scratch. That car
was a masterpiece in engineering. I would love to see some pics of that
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Old 08-11-2011, 12:15 PM   #589
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I have been trying to find some rules here in Europe, but no great luck yet... I found the French rules which seem to only regulate fuel to 16%, with engine rules the same as in 4wd track. But Iīm quite sure there are different rules in different countries and I hope some of those living in southern Europe will help you.
My personal thought is that Pan Cars have their limitations in their design, so an engine with to much power rules itīs self out. Take away weighted cranks and ceramic bearing and much of the costs will go down. Make the rules for whats to come, not for what has been. Donīt get me wrong, I hope to see both old and new Pan Cars racing side by side.
Just my thoughts...
I have attached the set of rules I posted on this thread two years ago. They
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I don't know what they do for full size cars, but I would think anything less than 100 grams would have little effect on a car's performance.

Any chance the Toledo club would consider have a pan class at next year's GLC?
What happens win my car has 1000 extra grams on it and you run into it

The weight idea is great. who will be supplying the screw on brass.
50-100 grams is prolly a good ball park. anything less wont do very much.

In all seriousnes pan cars look fun, something to get a little extra track time, and it looks cheaper, less things failing, tires can be used from worn out 4wd cars something that might be great for new people if anyone knows anyone thats new that would be interested.

Motor is not a huge issue, I myself would use a "used" or worn 1/8th motor maybe(to keep my cost down)?
or what ever might be allowed, not sure what motor lons car has in it but it seemed fine for the car.

I dont know why we have not raced these more
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What happens win my car has 1000 extra grams on it and you run into it

The weight idea is great. who will be supplying the screw on brass.
50-100 grams is prolly a good ball park. anything less wont do very much.

In all seriousnes pan cars look fun, something to get a little extra track time, and it looks cheaper, less things failing, tires can be used from worn out 4wd cars something that might be great for new people if anyone knows anyone thats new that would be interested.

Motor is not a huge issue, I myself would use a "used" or worn 1/8th motor maybe(to keep my cost down)?
or what ever might be allowed, not sure what motor lons car has in it but it seemed fine for the car.

I dont know why we have not raced these more
I vote for the "Jeff Rule"= Jeff supplies the tungsten weights for the club!
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Hey Rick,

Do you still have the pan car you ran at the 77 winter nats in orlando?
The one you machined the whole rear power pod from scratch. That car
was a masterpiece in engineering. I would love to see some pics of that
car.

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Probably - I have the car I ran at the 77 worlds and am assuming it's the same piece - it's somewhere in a box.
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The weight idea is great. who will be supplying the screw on brass.
50-100 grams is prolly a good ball park. anything less wont do very much.

A one cubic inch chunk of steel (cheap , plentiful) would weigh 128 grams _ if everyone wants this I can easily make some up over the winter.


Motor is not a huge issue, I myself would use a "used" or worn 1/8th motor maybe(to keep my cost down)?

This is the reason I suggested a carb and or pipe restriction - I would not be interested in going out and spending $$$ for some cheap lump when I've got a stack of out of date motors on my shelf.
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The weight idea is great. who will be supplying the screw on brass.
50-100 grams is prolly a good ball park. anything less wont do very much.

A one cubic inch chunk of steel (cheap , plentiful) would weigh 128 grams _ if everyone wants this I can easily make some up over the winter.


Motor is not a huge issue, I myself would use a "used" or worn 1/8th motor maybe(to keep my cost down)?

This is the reason I suggested a carb and or pipe restriction - I would not be interested in going out and spending $$$ for some cheap lump when I've got a stack of out of date motors on my shelf.
great idea on the used motors, got any 32 rear tires you can part with? everyones out of stock and i'll need'em for the pan car
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great idea on the used motors, got any 32 rear tires you can part with? everyones out of stock and i'll need'em for the pan car
I will see what I have, most rear tires are 35 or 37.

I had some others interested in the throw away tires, i ca prolly share them with a few people.
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I have some 30 shore rears, and might have 32 shore rears as well. I will have tires in stock, 32 shore rears up to 45 shore fronts, in September.
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What happens win my car has 1000 extra grams on it and you run into it

The weight idea is great. who will be supplying the screw on brass.
50-100 grams is prolly a good ball park. anything less wont do very much.

In all seriousnes pan cars look fun, something to get a little extra track time, and it looks cheaper, less things failing, tires can be used from worn out 4wd cars something that might be great for new people if anyone knows anyone thats new that would be interested.

Motor is not a huge issue, I myself would use a "used" or worn 1/8th motor maybe(to keep my cost down)?
or what ever might be allowed, not sure what motor lons car has in it but it seemed fine for the car.

I dont know why we have not raced these more
the Lon(s) are running the stock motor that comes with the combo......Davis could start selling his truckload of used motors to the pan guys to use.......Ricks right, why buy a cheap junk motor when a well used 4wd motor will work just fine.......
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I have some 30 shore rears, and might have 32 shore rears as well. I will have tires in stock, 32 shore rears up to 45 shore fronts, in September.
if you have 32's toss'em in my order i need 1 set too run out the season on either the new car or good old rc300
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the Lon(s) are running the stock motor that comes with the combo......Davis could start selling his truckload of used motors to the pan guys to use.......Ricks right, why buy a cheap junk motor when a well used 4wd motor will work just fine.......
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Joe, Thought your car was coming HALT (Hudy Auto Luxury Transport) ;-)~

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