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Old 09-30-2013, 01:13 PM   #3196
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Ned - thanks for the reply. I just re-ordered the cars and motor from Jason at Irwin. I raced 2WD 235MM Serpents and 2WD 8th Scale years ago before switching to 4wd 8th Scale when we had the Hamilton Track. I bought a Motonica Classic just before we got shut down because of noise. I was planning on promoting the Pan Class in Canada but sold my nitro stuff when our Track was forced to close.

Looking forward to racing in 2014 at Toledo. I plan on joining Bill McLean coming to Toledo so I can pit his 8th 4WD and he can pit my 8th 2WD.

I'm going to talk to Ron Garrant who ran 8th Scale 2WD Cars in the 90s in the MidWest Series. I'll show him my car when it arrives to tempt him into a return.

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The last time Rick ran a 2wd car (3 weeks ago), it was a locked suspension car powered by a Flash motor. It was fast and looked it. I watched this car being driven by one of the best, very fun to watch. However there was a less hairy looking 3 port locked on to his tail like a grayhound chasing the rabbit it will never catch. It was the sort of thing that happens here in Toledo and it too was some real fun and good testing.
Rick has allot going on other then 2wd but his input is priceless. He's my man!

AARCOBRA is right there too (not as fast as Rick), but knows his stuff.
Lon - thanks for the kind words but my 966 conversion is not a locked up suspension car - there are machined aluminum lower arms that bolt to the chassis plate in the rear and the rocker plate in the front , the original Serpent lower arms are gone.
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Old 09-30-2013, 05:08 PM   #3198
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Lon - thanks for the kind words but my 966 conversion is not a locked up suspension car - there are machined aluminum lower arms that bolt to the chassis plate in the rear and the rocker plate in the front , the original Serpent lower arms are gone.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:55 AM   #3199
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Ned - thanks for the reply. I just re-ordered the cars and motor from Jason at Irwin. I raced 2WD 235MM Serpents and 2WD 8th Scale years ago before switching to 4wd 8th Scale when we had the Hamilton Track. I bought a Motonica Classic just before we got shut down because of noise. I was planning on promoting the Pan Class in Canada but sold my nitro stuff when our Track was forced to close.

Looking forward to racing in 2014 at Toledo. I plan on joining Bill McLean coming to Toledo so I can pit his 8th 4WD and he can pit my 8th 2WD.

I'm going to talk to Ron Garrant who ran 8th Scale 2WD Cars in the 90s in the MidWest Series. I'll show him my car when it arrives to tempt him into a return.

Thanks - John Elliot
Out standing!! You're already got me thinking 2014 and we still have some 2013 to do. Beware of Bill, he killed my 10 minute pit strategy once when he jumped in to help,! With just a little training he'll be fine!

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Lon - thanks for the kind words but my 966 conversion is not a locked up suspension car - there are machined aluminum lower arms that bolt to the chassis plate in the rear and the rocker plate in the front , the original Serpent lower arms are gone.
All right all ready! So I made a mistake, I did that once last year too! So after watching your race, I think the results would have been the same had you had a 3 port motor. Switch motors with Joe and you guys would have been further apart. I found that race to be very interesting, thanks for running it.
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Ned - thanks for the reply. I just re-ordered the cars and motor from Jason at Irwin. I raced 2WD 235MM Serpents and 2WD 8th Scale years ago before switching to 4wd 8th Scale when we had the Hamilton Track. I bought a Motonica Classic just before we got shut down because of noise. I was planning on promoting the Pan Class in Canada but sold my nitro stuff when our Track was forced to close.

Looking forward to racing in 2014 at Toledo. I plan on joining Bill McLean coming to Toledo so I can pit his 8th 4WD and he can pit my 8th 2WD.

I'm going to talk to Ron Garrant who ran 8th Scale 2WD Cars in the 90s in the MidWest Series. I'll show him my car when it arrives to tempt him into a return.

Thanks - John Elliot
hey john, if you get ahold of ron give him my info. i understand he lives in windsor still. joe
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Lon - thanks for the kind words but my 966 conversion is not a locked up suspension car - there are machined aluminum lower arms that bolt to the chassis plate in the rear and the rocker plate in the front , the original Serpent lower arms are gone.

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Thanks for sharing the pics! I was wondering what that car looked like.

Elliot, glad to hear you will be joining us for 2014! I will announce an update on the shipment when I know more.
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Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen any fight going on over rules. I (and others) have asked for clarifications and made some proposals to keep things from getting out of hand.

Maybe everyone here should elect a Pan Car Poobah who says what the rules are, what goes, and what doesn't. It's worked very well for VTA; Rob King has done an excellent job (with help from a few friends). I further suggest that the Pan Car Poobah should be a current racer from the Ohio bunch, as that seems to be largest active group.
Good idea! I nominate Lon for that job, whether he wants it or not. He's been the prime mover to bring back pan the last few years, he has the largest interest/participation in it via his grandkids, he's knowledgable about old pan AND new, and he's fair minded. He's also a huge pain in the rear...but at least he's a FAIR pain in the rear.

Next....Tom crapped out at Dayton due to a crappy battery pack (end of year issues....damn.) But he ran very strongly in qualifying, and would have placed in the main, the point being that our product was competitive enough that I don't see the "floppy front end" being of any particular advantage over basic G10 flex. I'm still not in total agreement with it, but it's mainstream, doesn't quite violate the rules as I see it.

Further, I recommend we go by the existing rules in Roar. If changes are needed, we'll make 'em, but have Lon do the "on the spot" call for anything not covered by existing rules. If he's not willing or up to it, consensus will apply.

If no one wants to do tech duty, then we're forced to go with the honor system....Matt is right on that score, it's hard to enforce rules with no inspections. While I'm at it, I think it's a silly rule that a person can't tech the class they run in. Said person would tend to me most knowlegable about the class, and I tend to rely on a persons honesty and honor. I'm sure there are a few weasels out there who cheat, but for many years, I've lived by the practice that I trust a person until they give me reason not to. I can guarantee that if Lon, Rick, Matt, myself, or any other person in our club is running a tech, that they can be relied upon to be fair and impartial, even to their own detriment.

I'll support that idea of Neds about the EVO with my own wallet....inclusion, friends, not exclusion, is the way to go.
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Old 10-02-2013, 08:14 AM   #3205
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Good idea! I nominate Lon for that job, whether he wants it or not. He's been the prime mover to bring back pan the last few years, he has the largest interest/participation in it via his grandkids, he's knowledgable about old pan AND new, and he's fair minded. He's also a huge pain in the rear...but at least he's a FAIR pain in the rear.

Next....Tom crapped out at Dayton due to a crappy battery pack (end of year issues....damn.) But he ran very strongly in qualifying, and would have placed in the main, the point being that our product was competitive enough that I don't see the "floppy front end" being of any particular advantage over basic G10 flex. I'm still not in total agreement with it, but it's mainstream, doesn't quite violate the rules as I see it.

Further, I recommend we go by the existing rules in Roar. If changes are needed, we'll make 'em, but have Lon do the "on the spot" call for anything not covered by existing rules. If he's not willing or up to it, consensus will apply.

If no one wants to do tech duty, then we're forced to go with the honor system....Matt is right on that score, it's hard to enforce rules with no inspections. While I'm at it, I think it's a silly rule that a person can't tech the class they run in. Said person would tend to me most knowlegable about the class, and I tend to rely on a persons honesty and honor. I'm sure there are a few weasels out there who cheat, but for many years, I've lived by the practice that I trust a person until they give me reason not to. I can guarantee that if Lon, Rick, Matt, myself, or any other person in our club is running a tech, that they can be relied upon to be fair and impartial, even to their own detriment.

I'll support that idea of Neds about the EVO with my own wallet....inclusion, friends, not exclusion, is the way to go.
This all sounds great to me.

Lon, if we ask you questions regarding things which are not covered by the ROAR rules, can you give us a "YES" or a "NO" on our questions?
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Good idea! I nominate Lon for that job, whether he wants it or not. He's been the prime mover to bring back pan the last few years, he has the largest interest/participation in it via his grandkids, he's knowledgable about old pan AND new, and he's fair minded. .
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LEAVE ME ALONG!! Phil, There should be a rule for Trouble makers like you!
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Someone said they had a RC 300 with a T-Plate on it I have never seen a RC 300 with a T-plate can't visualize how it would look does anyone have a picture of a Associated RC 300 with a T-Plate that they would not mind sharing??
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