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Old 11-04-2009, 09:55 AM   #166
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Default First Draft 2WD PAN CLASSIC RULES

Ok guys,
I have attached my rough draft of the proposed rules for this Class
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:24 AM   #167
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Not a bad start. The body height/wing height rule of 190mm is somewhat outdated. EFRA or IFMAR rules are 180mm I think. I know the ROAR rulebook reads 190mm for the 1/8th 4wd class. This is not a big deal, it can remain at 190mm but I thought I would mention it.
By the way, your kits are on the way, you should have them late next week.
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Old 11-04-2009, 11:43 AM   #168
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Not a bad start. The body height/wing height rule of 190mm is somewhat outdated. EFRA or IFMAR rules are 180mm I think. I know the ROAR rulebook reads 190mm for the 1/8th 4wd class. This is not a big deal, it can remain at 190mm but I thought I would mention it.
By the way, your kits are on the way, you should have them late next week.
Garen,
Yeah, I copied most of the basic dimensional data direct from the Roar rules.
I'm not married to the 190 mm wing height.
Thanks for the update on the P8C kit delivery! Looking forward to getting them!

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Excellent job with the rules djmachinist . would like to post them on my website rcretro.comif it's O.K. with you.
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Excellent job with the rules djmachinist . would like to post them on my website rcretro.comif it's O.K. with you.
Sure, Go ahead.

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Congrats on your website, I really like it. You brought back some memories with the Marker Machine Pan car. I ran one in the
1977 Texas SWS. I think I placed second in the series that year. I loved the Marker, aluminum gears and all. Best Front
end and steering block geometry of its day! Dale Fisher built a great car.
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Old 11-04-2009, 08:18 PM   #171
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Ok guys,
I have attached my rough draft of the proposed rules for this Class
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........no centax type clutch........off-road type clutch only
........ 3 port motors only..........or maybe set a maximum street price...better
have your receipt..........
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According to the manual, the P8C comes with a 4 shoe centax-ish clutch, more like the Fioroni offroad clutches. Would that be acceptable?
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I think it is important to note that the term 'centax' is a trademark of Serpent, or at least it was the last time I checked. Nowadays it is used loosely to describe just about every on road nitro clutch.
The P8C clutch shown in the manual appears to be very similar to the Fioroni Adjustable off road clutch. Similar (or nearly exact) clutches are sold by Werks, Orion, and a few others. Technically, even a 3 shoe off road clutch is adjustable by changing shoe type, spring thickness, or modding the shoes, or even installing the shoes backwards. There are off road 3 and 4 shoe clutches, Fioroni again for example, which offer adjustability by the use of a simple cam mechanism. The P8C clutch, if it is essentially the same as the Fioroni, is adjustable like a typical on road nitro clutch in that there is a spring and it can be tightened or loosened to change the rpm at which the clutch engages. Beyond that there is no bell clearance or end play adjustment, at least not in terms of clutch performance.
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A better way to put it would be "No axial clutches. Friction surface of all clutch shoes must be parallel to the crank/ground."
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A better way to put it would be "No axial clutches. Friction surface of all clutch shoes must be parallel to the crank/ground."
Garen said I will have my P8C Kits maybe next week, Before I add anything concerning Clutch requirements to the rules, I want to see exactly how the Motonica clutch works in this car. I do not want to write something in the rules that would exclude this clutch/car from the class. After all, this is the primary kit that is available in this country right now.

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A better way to put it would be "No axial clutches. Friction surface of all clutch shoes must be parallel to the crank/ground."
Dale, I think Wingracer hit the nail on the head. This description would include the P8C kit clutch, and most any clutch that uses a standard buggy shaped clutchbell.
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Sure, Go ahead.

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Congrats on your website, I really like it. You brought back some memories with the Marker Machine Pan car. I ran one in the
1977 Texas SWS. I think I placed second in the series that year. I loved the Marker, aluminum gears and all. Best Front
end and steering block geometry of its day! Dale Fisher built a great car.
And it only took me five years of searching Ebay every day to find all the pieces to put together the whole car! But I must say it was a labor of love to recreate the car I took my first racing trophy with, right down to the paint scheme on the Parma Porsche 917/10.
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Garen, how much lighter is the "C" to the 4wd? I've been considering unloading my 235 stuff to offset trying one of these. I have 3 or 4 Nova/Mega .15 big blocks, and was wondering if they would be adequate for a P8C. I've got (2) of 3-port and (2) 7-port.
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Garen, how much lighter is the "C" to the 4wd? I've been considering unloading my 235 stuff to offset trying one of these. I have 3 or 4 Nova/Mega .15 big blocks, and was wondering if they would be adequate for a P8C. I've got (2) of 3-port and (2) 7-port.
What kind of 235mm stuff do you have? I still have my two 235mm 2wd cars (one Serpent Impact and one Maddog). On has an almost new 3-port .15 RB that has three runs on it. Kind of wishing for this class to come back.
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I don't have the exact weight, but I think the 2wd cars are about 200 to 300 grams lighter. I don't think a .15 will have any problems getting the car up to speed.
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