Serpent 733 1/10 200mm touring
07-30-2009, 02:47 PM
#676
Tech Apprentice
I think some of those numbers are not right, from what I fount in the manuals and in the Serpent site.
I have found the following:
Brake: 20T
Reaf Diff: 40T
Main Axis side: 21T
Middle axis side: 21T (almost sure)
Middle axis internal: 18T (not sure)
Front Axis: 35T
If those numbers are correct, split is 1,7mm for 60mm rear tires.
Can someone confirm?
I have found the following:
Brake: 20T
Reaf Diff: 40T
Main Axis side: 21T
Middle axis side: 21T (almost sure)
Middle axis internal: 18T (not sure)
Front Axis: 35T
If those numbers are correct, split is 1,7mm for 60mm rear tires.
Can someone confirm?
07-30-2009, 03:07 PM
#677
The information posted earlier by Serpent America was a mistake. The info is correct with the last post.
DJ Apolaro
DJ Apolaro
07-30-2009, 05:11 PM
#678
Tech Initiate
iTrader: (1)
Am stoked to have completed building the 733. All went well, despite that fact that this is my nitro car comeback after leaving it about 7 years ago with the Impulse, Impact, Vector & Veteq.
I've only got one gripe. I simply cannot believe that the rear wheel axle (1 side) snapped right at the threads. Now i dont think that i may have overtorqued it as i was not using a cross wrench and i know how to torque (i build Aircrafts too (Heli's and Planes). Thank goodness, apparently this part has been common even since the Impulse, 710, 720 and now the 733 (ser-801215). I can imagine, that this being a new release, parts are pretty tough at least until a couple of weeks!
I dont know if this has to do with early release, version 1 product, but if i look back at my VETEQ manual, which i still have
, there is much more information available with detailed descriptions and also a setup book, like what you get with xray's (those are fantastic) which is currently missing on the 733.
Well at least i got the stickers in the box, which i can see that some of you guys didn't get! I guess they are improving it along the line.
What are your thoughts on the wheel axle? I know its spring steel, but snapped even before it saw some track time? Have anyone had any experience of it snapping before? What likely caused it? Cos now i'm concerned that if its to do with torqueing, then i applied similar to the other drive sections and may risk some metallurgical damage already! Should i start ordering the rear and fronts as precaution? I hate the idea of down time, once i hit the track especially without spares in hand yet.
I've only got one gripe. I simply cannot believe that the rear wheel axle (1 side) snapped right at the threads. Now i dont think that i may have overtorqued it as i was not using a cross wrench and i know how to torque (i build Aircrafts too (Heli's and Planes). Thank goodness, apparently this part has been common even since the Impulse, 710, 720 and now the 733 (ser-801215). I can imagine, that this being a new release, parts are pretty tough at least until a couple of weeks!
I dont know if this has to do with early release, version 1 product, but if i look back at my VETEQ manual, which i still have
, there is much more information available with detailed descriptions and also a setup book, like what you get with xray's (those are fantastic) which is currently missing on the 733. Well at least i got the stickers in the box, which i can see that some of you guys didn't get! I guess they are improving it along the line.
What are your thoughts on the wheel axle? I know its spring steel, but snapped even before it saw some track time? Have anyone had any experience of it snapping before? What likely caused it? Cos now i'm concerned that if its to do with torqueing, then i applied similar to the other drive sections and may risk some metallurgical damage already! Should i start ordering the rear and fronts as precaution? I hate the idea of down time, once i hit the track especially without spares in hand yet.
07-30-2009, 07:10 PM
#679
Am stoked to have completed building the 733. All went well, despite that fact that this is my nitro car comeback after leaving it about 7 years ago with the Impulse, Impact, Vector & Veteq.
I've only got one gripe. I simply cannot believe that the rear wheel axle (1 side) snapped right at the threads. Now i dont think that i may have overtorqued it as i was not using a cross wrench and i know how to torque (i build Aircrafts too (Heli's and Planes). Thank goodness, apparently this part has been common even since the Impulse, 710, 720 and now the 733 (ser-801215). I can imagine, that this being a new release, parts are pretty tough at least until a couple of weeks!
I dont know if this has to do with early release, version 1 product, but if i look back at my VETEQ manual, which i still have , there is much more information available with detailed descriptions and also a setup book, like what you get with xray's (those are fantastic) which is currently missing on the 733.
Well at least i got the stickers in the box, which i can see that some of you guys didn't get! I guess they are improving it along the line.
What are your thoughts on the wheel axle? I know its spring steel, but snapped even before it saw some track time? Have anyone had any experience of it snapping before? What likely caused it? Cos now i'm concerned that if its to do with torqueing, then i applied similar to the other drive sections and may risk some metallurgical damage already! Should i start ordering the rear and fronts as precaution? I hate the idea of down time, once i hit the track especially without spares in hand yet.
I've only got one gripe. I simply cannot believe that the rear wheel axle (1 side) snapped right at the threads. Now i dont think that i may have overtorqued it as i was not using a cross wrench and i know how to torque (i build Aircrafts too (Heli's and Planes). Thank goodness, apparently this part has been common even since the Impulse, 710, 720 and now the 733 (ser-801215). I can imagine, that this being a new release, parts are pretty tough at least until a couple of weeks!
I dont know if this has to do with early release, version 1 product, but if i look back at my VETEQ manual, which i still have
, there is much more information available with detailed descriptions and also a setup book, like what you get with xray's (those are fantastic) which is currently missing on the 733. Well at least i got the stickers in the box, which i can see that some of you guys didn't get! I guess they are improving it along the line.
What are your thoughts on the wheel axle? I know its spring steel, but snapped even before it saw some track time? Have anyone had any experience of it snapping before? What likely caused it? Cos now i'm concerned that if its to do with torqueing, then i applied similar to the other drive sections and may risk some metallurgical damage already! Should i start ordering the rear and fronts as precaution? I hate the idea of down time, once i hit the track especially without spares in hand yet.
I agree with you on the manual and missing set up book. I used DJ's set up (posted earlier) and work great for me! I was almost doing the same lap times as my 720!
very easy to drive. It's strange what happened with the wheel axle
I've never had that problem before.
07-31-2009, 07:34 AM
#681
Pattojnr,
Yes, the 733 number will do since I can use the text from the Serpent 720 logo (not the same , but it will do for the time being). Just trying to save some computer time as I as planning on creating it from scratch.
I have the snake logo in Corel format. send me a PM if you are interested in this file.
Erchur
Yes, the 733 number will do since I can use the text from the Serpent 720 logo (not the same , but it will do for the time being). Just trying to save some computer time as I as planning on creating it from scratch.
I have the snake logo in Corel format. send me a PM if you are interested in this file.
Erchur
07-31-2009, 12:09 PM
#682
Serpent 733
Here is the Set-up I wound start with in the US:
Front
120,000-150,000 oil for the diff (lighter on low bite tracks)
-1 droop
middle roll center position
car long
3mm caster in front of arm
5.5mm ride height
blue spring layed down
2 hole piston
40wt oil
.5 toe out on each side
1.5 camber
stock sway bar
ackerman in back position and wide
Rear
40,000-50,000 oil for the diff (lighter on low bite tracks)
3 droop
lowest roll center position on bottom pins
car long
camber link inner and 2nd position from bottom
2mm under link on outer position
6mm of ride height
red springs in second position (orange in 3rd postion if low bite)
3 hole piston
40wt oil
3 toe in on each side
3 camber and 3.5 on outside tire
stock sway bar, I used 2.3, as track was green
Hope this helps and if I forgot something just ask. I will try to answer questions as fast as possible, but I am pretty busy with work at the moment. Also remember this was the first outting (In the US) with the car, so things may still change for me. If they do I will update the posted information.
Have fun with the new 733,
DJ Apolaro[/QUOTE]
Hey Dj,
what tire shore were you running with this setup?
Front
120,000-150,000 oil for the diff (lighter on low bite tracks)
-1 droop
middle roll center position
car long
3mm caster in front of arm
5.5mm ride height
blue spring layed down
2 hole piston
40wt oil
.5 toe out on each side
1.5 camber
stock sway bar
ackerman in back position and wide
Rear
40,000-50,000 oil for the diff (lighter on low bite tracks)
3 droop
lowest roll center position on bottom pins
car long
camber link inner and 2nd position from bottom
2mm under link on outer position
6mm of ride height
red springs in second position (orange in 3rd postion if low bite)
3 hole piston
40wt oil
3 toe in on each side
3 camber and 3.5 on outside tire
stock sway bar, I used 2.3, as track was green
Hope this helps and if I forgot something just ask. I will try to answer questions as fast as possible, but I am pretty busy with work at the moment. Also remember this was the first outting (In the US) with the car, so things may still change for me. If they do I will update the posted information.
Have fun with the new 733,
DJ Apolaro[/QUOTE]
Hey Dj,
what tire shore were you running with this setup?
07-31-2009, 12:12 PM
#683
I think is used 37 all around, as the track was green. I also am now using the long normal springs in the rear. Not changing anything with the shock, just the spring.
DJ Apolaro
DJ Apolaro
07-31-2009, 12:24 PM
#684
07-31-2009, 12:26 PM
#685
I still do not have sticker............ Hopefully mine come this week with my spare stuff for the car.
DJ Apolaro
DJ Apolaro
07-31-2009, 02:42 PM
#686
YOU GOT STICKERS???? LUCKY! lol
I agree with you on the manual and missing set up book. I used DJ's set up (posted earlier) and work great for me! I was almost doing the same lap times as my 720! very easy to drive.
It's strange what happened with the wheel axle I've never had that problem before.
I agree with you on the manual and missing set up book. I used DJ's set up (posted earlier) and work great for me! I was almost doing the same lap times as my 720!
very easy to drive. It's strange what happened with the wheel axle
I've never had that problem before.
07-31-2009, 02:44 PM
#687
07-31-2009, 02:48 PM
#689
