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01-15-2006, 02:25 PM
#8566
Originally Posted by ae_ntc3
yeah i raced there at fairy meadow today and made it in to the A final with the big boys.i was running the ntc3 but i couldnt find any rear traction
i was running 40f and 35r tires and im thinking of going to 32r.im using the greenspring in the rear and shocks are layed down with no swaybar. i just don't know what else to do ????
i was running 40f and 35r tires and im thinking of going to 32r.im using the greenspring in the rear and shocks are layed down with no swaybar. i just don't know what else to do ????
Have you tried running softer shock oil?.....I`m gonna use 35weight this summernats in the RRR.
Cheers Andy
01-15-2006, 02:29 PM
#8567
Originally Posted by wayne
amazing by the looks of this thread the ntc3 is getting into australia great 
-- I also struggle for rear traction and have as yet been unable to solve it <sigh> any suggestions let me know thanks guys I run rubber tyres
-- I also struggle for rear traction and have as yet been unable to solve it <sigh> any suggestions let me know thanks guys I run rubber tyres
Racing my ntc3 at eastern creek i always found either 40 shore or 37 shore were on the money in terms of grip.
Cheers
01-15-2006, 02:34 PM
#8568
Originally Posted by ae_ntc3
im using the one-way in the front.do you think i should try a ball diff in the front ????
01-16-2006, 12:57 AM
#8569
Originally Posted by tommi
He was using green springs and fighting for traction, copper springs are 13lbs. harder than the green ones my friend; he's gonna have a doughnut on the track I'm afraid. 
Playing with spring rates is interesting. Going too soft does not necessarily mean you will get all the traction you want; on the other hand, going harder does not necessarily mean you will lose traction. Going too soft on the rear might cause traction roll or causing the car to break loose suddenly; harder springs could make the breaking of traction felt smoother...it all depends on the track condition. Happy experimenting!
Playing with spring rates is interesting. Going too soft does not necessarily mean you will get all the traction you want; on the other hand, going harder does not necessarily mean you will lose traction. Going too soft on the rear might cause traction roll or causing the car to break loose suddenly; harder springs could make the breaking of traction felt smoother...it all depends on the track condition.
Happy experimenting!ya loh.aiseh aiseh.embarassing liao
01-16-2006, 02:48 AM
#8570
Tech Addict
yes it is loose on power exiting a corner.
ajc13b: im running a sirio .12 evo 3 but soon to upgrade to a collari innotech.
i have now on the rear:
-no rear sway bar
-green springs
-35 tyres
-2.5 degrees toe-in
-shocks 40wt oil
-shocks mounted middle hole on shock tower
i did notice that as the day went on the track had more grip but its not enough.im running out of ideas.32 rear tyres are my last option.with this current setting i can drive thae car but i have to be careful comming out of a few corners because the car goes sideways.
im about one second off the top guys per lap.
tommi:if i stiffen the front springs it wont help because its out of corners that i need traction and all the weight goes to the rear.
if i increase rear droop it only sends weight to the front of the car when coming into the corners.
one thing i found interesting is that the hudy setup book and xxx-main setup book tell you that to get more grip on the rear you make rear upper arms more flatter.but the ntc3 instruction book tells you that the inner rear camber link should be mounted on the optional settings (lower holes) for more grip
ajc13b: im running a sirio .12 evo 3 but soon to upgrade to a collari innotech.
i have now on the rear:
-no rear sway bar
-green springs
-35 tyres
-2.5 degrees toe-in
-shocks 40wt oil
-shocks mounted middle hole on shock tower
i did notice that as the day went on the track had more grip but its not enough.im running out of ideas.32 rear tyres are my last option.with this current setting i can drive thae car but i have to be careful comming out of a few corners because the car goes sideways.
im about one second off the top guys per lap.
tommi:if i stiffen the front springs it wont help because its out of corners that i need traction and all the weight goes to the rear.
if i increase rear droop it only sends weight to the front of the car when coming into the corners.
one thing i found interesting is that the hudy setup book and xxx-main setup book tell you that to get more grip on the rear you make rear upper arms more flatter.but the ntc3 instruction book tells you that the inner rear camber link should be mounted on the optional settings (lower holes) for more grip
01-16-2006, 06:58 AM
#8571
Tech Initiate
rear grip
I would make the rear camber link as long as possible (you'll get more chassis roll) increase the front droop (with more droop the chassis will lift more in the front causing more weight to transfer to the rear).last I would slightly raise my ride height to get more chassis roll.
Hope this helps
Hope this helps
01-16-2006, 02:41 PM
#8573
Hooked on seems there wont be any shops in brisbane stocking AE gear soon as hobby one is now dropping the range as well.Which is a shame as i was thinking of picking up another Ntc3 for a bit of fun. 
01-16-2006, 03:03 PM
#8574
Originally Posted by ae_ntc3
yes it is loose on power exiting a corner.
ajc13b: im running a sirio .12 evo 3 but soon to upgrade to a collari innotech.
i have now on the rear:
-no rear sway bar
-green springs
-35 tyres
-2.5 degrees toe-in
-shocks 40wt oil
-shocks mounted middle hole on shock tower
i did notice that as the day went on the track had more grip but its not enough.im running out of ideas.32 rear tyres are my last option.with this current setting i can drive thae car but i have to be careful comming out of a few corners because the car goes sideways.
im about one second off the top guys per lap.
tommi:if i stiffen the front springs it wont help because its out of corners that i need traction and all the weight goes to the rear.
if i increase rear droop it only sends weight to the front of the car when coming into the corners.
one thing i found interesting is that the hudy setup book and xxx-main setup book tell you that to get more grip on the rear you make rear upper arms more flatter.but the ntc3 instruction book tells you that the inner rear camber link should be mounted on the optional settings (lower holes) for more grip
ajc13b: im running a sirio .12 evo 3 but soon to upgrade to a collari innotech.
i have now on the rear:
-no rear sway bar
-green springs
-35 tyres
-2.5 degrees toe-in
-shocks 40wt oil
-shocks mounted middle hole on shock tower
i did notice that as the day went on the track had more grip but its not enough.im running out of ideas.32 rear tyres are my last option.with this current setting i can drive thae car but i have to be careful comming out of a few corners because the car goes sideways.
im about one second off the top guys per lap.
tommi:if i stiffen the front springs it wont help because its out of corners that i need traction and all the weight goes to the rear.
if i increase rear droop it only sends weight to the front of the car when coming into the corners.
one thing i found interesting is that the hudy setup book and xxx-main setup book tell you that to get more grip on the rear you make rear upper arms more flatter.but the ntc3 instruction book tells you that the inner rear camber link should be mounted on the optional settings (lower holes) for more grip
Cheers Andy
01-16-2006, 05:23 PM
#8575
Tech Addict
on the rear the camber is -3 and on the front its -2. this is where my tyres wear flat.
Elliott hart: if i increase the length of the rear camber link, won't that give me positive camber ???
also i have already increased the front droop to 4mm.
Elliott hart: if i increase the length of the rear camber link, won't that give me positive camber ???
also i have already increased the front droop to 4mm.
01-16-2006, 05:24 PM
#8576
Tech Addict
oh and my diff setting on the rear is 1/2 out
01-16-2006, 10:15 PM
#8577
Originally Posted by ae_ntc3
on the rear the camber is -3 and on the front its -2. this is where my tyres wear flat.
Elliott hart: if i increase the length of the rear camber link, won't that give me positive camber ???
also i have already increased the front droop to 4mm.
Elliott hart: if i increase the length of the rear camber link, won't that give me positive camber ???
also i have already increased the front droop to 4mm.
01-17-2006, 12:51 AM
#8578
Tech Addict
what effect does that give when its slightly coning ???
01-17-2006, 06:15 AM
#8579
Originally Posted by ae_ntc3
on the rear the camber is -3 and on the front its -2. this is where my tyres wear flat.
Elliott hart: if i increase the length of the rear camber link, won't that give me positive camber ???
also i have already increased the front droop to 4mm.
Elliott hart: if i increase the length of the rear camber link, won't that give me positive camber ???
also i have already increased the front droop to 4mm.
01-17-2006, 06:20 AM
#8580
Originally Posted by ae_ntc3
yes it is loose on power exiting a corner.
ajc13b: im running a sirio .12 evo 3 but soon to upgrade to a collari innotech.
i have now on the rear:
-no rear sway bar
-green springs
-35 tyres
-2.5 degrees toe-in
-shocks 40wt oil
-shocks mounted middle hole on shock tower
i did notice that as the day went on the track had more grip but its not enough.im running out of ideas.32 rear tyres are my last option.with this current setting i can drive thae car but i have to be careful comming out of a few corners because the car goes sideways.
im about one second off the top guys per lap.
tommi:if i stiffen the front springs it wont help because its out of corners that i need traction and all the weight goes to the rear.
if i increase rear droop it only sends weight to the front of the car when coming into the corners.
ajc13b: im running a sirio .12 evo 3 but soon to upgrade to a collari innotech.
i have now on the rear:
-no rear sway bar
-green springs
-35 tyres
-2.5 degrees toe-in
-shocks 40wt oil
-shocks mounted middle hole on shock tower
i did notice that as the day went on the track had more grip but its not enough.im running out of ideas.32 rear tyres are my last option.with this current setting i can drive thae car but i have to be careful comming out of a few corners because the car goes sideways.
im about one second off the top guys per lap.
tommi:if i stiffen the front springs it wont help because its out of corners that i need traction and all the weight goes to the rear.
if i increase rear droop it only sends weight to the front of the car when coming into the corners.
You were suffering from a loose rear, of which is resulted from too much front steering and too little weight transfer to the rear. Stiffening up the front springs will take away some steering upfront, on the other hand stabilizing the rear; it will also shift the weight to the rear, which will give MORE traction to the rear. With a one-way, most of the time when I change my front springs to stiffer ones, I managed to tame the rear, and I always gain on-power stability doing that.