HPI R40 Nitro Car Forum
#751
Tech Fanatic
The only way to get all the hop up parts that Hara used at the Roar Nationals is to go buy them over seas... That's if you want them right now...I guess the hollow shafts can be bought now here in the states, but if you really want your car dialed in and lose some extra weight, you'll have to buy in Japan or Hong Kong... Sure the car is nice now, but the car is not a true Team car... The car is bone stock out of the box. Some may like it just liike that and that's fine. I'm just saying that the team cars are completly different then the one straight from the box. And just a note... All the HPI R40 team drivers have all the same Hop ups... I wonder why....
#752
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Originally posted by rc_alan
And just a note... All the HPI R40 team drivers have all the same Hop ups... I wonder why....
And just a note... All the HPI R40 team drivers have all the same Hop ups... I wonder why....
#753
Tech Fanatic
Hey C0NTENDER... I see you're over here also... Great!!! As for the team driver hop ups, I was looking at the set up sheets/notes from the HPI website and both given which are Hara's and Thad Garners. Both team drivers are using the same hop up parts.... These differences to a novice might not make a big difference, but to a true hobbiest, these changes are huge... As for the overseas websites... Man, I'm looking and searching... I was told at a lhs that's the way to go as these parts are already availible in Japan and HPI is going to wait awhile before they bring them here... Why??? Your guess is as good as mine. If you have the Nov 2003 issue of Xtreme RC Cars, page 99, the stock R40 goes from 0-60 feet in 1.81 secs @ 32.1 mph and tops out at 50.1... Just to compare cars, the Trinity Reflex NT in the April 2003 issue goes from 0-60 feet in 1.55 sec @40.4 mph and tops out at 53mph. The Schumacher Fusion R12 in the July issue goes from 0-60 feet at [email protected]... Sure this might be due to gearing but both cars are lighter and all three cars motor hp rating are about 1.35. I have the R40 and while on the track, other drivers are killing me... I'm running both the Rossi Pixy rated at 1.48hp's and a Mugen MT-12 rated @ 1.20hp's. I think the first thing to change are those shock towers and It's my guess, but we can be very creative in the area of gearing also... The Trinity Reflex internal gear ration is 2.52:1 while the R40 is 2.42:1... Not that big a difference and there spur and clutch gearing are simular to the R40's I'm going to try a few things today at the track with the gearing to see what happens.. ie using the Reflex's gearing to see if I can get a increase in speed. All of the listed R40 gearing options have only a 3 tooth change. Page 45 in manual, while the Trinity Reflex has a 4 tooth jump... That can be huge in the area of take off and overall top speed. I'll post back later to let you know the out come... Sorry for the long reply...
RC_Alan
RC_Alan
#754
Originally posted by rc_alan
I think the first thing to change are those shock towers and It's my guess, but we can be very creative in the area of gearing also... The Trinity Reflex internal gear ration is 2.52:1 while the R40 is 2.42:1... Not that big a difference and there spur and clutch gearing are simular to the R40's
I think the first thing to change are those shock towers and It's my guess, but we can be very creative in the area of gearing also... The Trinity Reflex internal gear ration is 2.52:1 while the R40 is 2.42:1... Not that big a difference and there spur and clutch gearing are simular to the R40's
Easier way is to also change your stock 1st gear pinion down to 15T. That will give you 7.75 for the first gear with the 48T spur which would be better than the stock 1st gearing for the Reflex.
#755
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Originally posted by rc_alan
All of the listed R40 gearing options have only a 3 tooth change. Page 45 in manual, while the Trinity Reflex has a 4 tooth jump... That can be huge in the area of take off and overall top speed
RC_Alan
All of the listed R40 gearing options have only a 3 tooth change. Page 45 in manual, while the Trinity Reflex has a 4 tooth jump... That can be huge in the area of take off and overall top speed
RC_Alan
#756
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Originally posted by rc_alan
Sure this might be due to gearing but both cars are lighter and all three cars motor hp rating are about 1.35.
RC_Alan
Sure this might be due to gearing but both cars are lighter and all three cars motor hp rating are about 1.35.
RC_Alan
-clutch setup....centax setup, three shoe???
-weight... what equipment were they running. A heavy Xxtra reciever, or a lightweight XXL? Whose servos? What type of receiver pack??? the list goes on...
-'gearing might have something to do with it'....thats an understatement. I ran a ReflexNT all this season. With what was probably the slowest motor of all the top runners(an un-moded .12tr) But, I could kill everyone through the infield on our technical track. Even the guys with the high powered motors. But at the larger track, with mostly straights and sweepers, my car was pretty much unuseable because the stock gearing just wasn't up to the task.
-'all three cars motor hp ratings are about 1.35'...this is another case of numbers that could be lying to you. Yeah all the engines are rated at that, but is that by the manufacturer or in a test. Manufacturers have been know to 'stretch' the numbers for their engines base horse power. Another issue is, even if the hp is the same, how does that engine produce that power. My .12tr doesn't have the top end that some of the Mugen or Sirio engines do, but it also produces more power earlier in the band than those do. That can also effect the 0-60 numbers
Basically what I'm saying is that checking the 0-60 in RC isn't the same as real life. In real life the cars they test....come with those engines! Those engines are meant for those cars and the gearing is set appropriately to suit the engine. In RC, testing the 0-60 of different cars with different manufacturers engines borders on pointless. And even if you test with the same engine(or engines with similar hp) you have to ask whether the gearing in that particular car was suited to the powerband of that engine.
I'm not saying the conclusions you've drawn are wrong, because we all have to draw our own conclusions when were given numbers(like 0-60 times) to examine. I'm just saying there are a whole lot of factors to consider when you see a magazine do those 0-60 times. Which is why I don't feel that they should do them. Their misleading because of all the factors in play.
#757
Originally posted by Walt
For example, you can run a 15/49 1st with a 21/43 2nd, if you wanted to. Slick design really.
For example, you can run a 15/49 1st with a 21/43 2nd, if you wanted to. Slick design really.
#758
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OK, glancing thru this thread for a minute or two trying to choose a car to supliment (or supplant) my LD3 for next season, and the R40 is looking like a winner. Now, the last belt drive nitro I had was an old Kyosho Spider Mk.II, which had a rather bad habit of shreading the pulleys until I got the aluminum pulleys. Does the R40 have any such problems, or did they spec the aluminum pullies from the beginning? And what gear ratio does the car have? I'm not too concerned with the weight since I am by no means at a 'pro' level to drive, but I would like to have it geared for my club track. The infield has been quite tight, but it has a nice 250ft back straight. WIth a FDR of 6.07 1st and 5.22 2nd, it gives a pretty good balance thru the track
#759
Originally posted by spenzalii
WIth a FDR of 6.07 1st and 5.22 2nd, it gives a pretty good balance thru the track
WIth a FDR of 6.07 1st and 5.22 2nd, it gives a pretty good balance thru the track
#761
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Hey guys, i have already posted this in f/s/trade but i need to sell fast. Its a brand new never run or turned over Ofna Hyper 7 8pt. The LHS sells for 189.99. Yours for 125 shipped. Please pm me or e-mail me ASAP Thanks. Its the non pull/purple head/sport version
#762
weight reduction program
I save some weight by milling out the chassis. I save about 19 grams. Combined with both the hollow shafts, I saved total weight of 41 grams.
By the way, it's quite easy to make your own hollow shaft. Just go to a local machine shop and have them drill 3.5mm hole thru the shaft.
A.W
By the way, it's quite easy to make your own hollow shaft. Just go to a local machine shop and have them drill 3.5mm hole thru the shaft.
A.W
#763
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The lowest (numerically high #) is 7.909 for first(thats a 49/15 combo).....you can team that with ANY second gear combo......
#764
Re: weight reduction program
Originally posted by Pembalap
By the way, it's quite easy to make your own hollow shaft. Just go to a local machine shop and have them drill 3.5mm hole thru the shaft.
By the way, it's quite easy to make your own hollow shaft. Just go to a local machine shop and have them drill 3.5mm hole thru the shaft.
#765
Re: Re: weight reduction program
Originally posted by InitialD
Yeah, easy but I believe you need a lathe for that. The best would be to have an EDM equipment to drill it fast and clean !
Yeah, easy but I believe you need a lathe for that. The best would be to have an EDM equipment to drill it fast and clean !