T-Hawk

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Rules are, you have to take one before the 60min main and I'll see if I can get Barbie to corner marshall for us. Try Not To Lose Concentration!!! or anything else

san.

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I can only speak for myself and not the tracks I run at. I'm for one class only. Let the system rank the drivers in their respective skill set. The spec class that's being promoted is brand bias and not healthy for GT8 at all. I should be able to support my local track, hobby shop and racers that do not have access to long chassis, REDS motors, etc. We have guys with LOSI, XRAY, Hot Bodies and AE RC8 conversions. How are they going to get regulated long chassis's? They also run Werks, Novarossi, Picco, Jammin, SportWerks, Ofna and another actually runs a Dynamite motor.

This might work in Texas, but we can't force this "Spec Rule" on other clubs.

Again, this is not an attack on any individual. Just my personal opinion.

desotoracing

We agree with you. Rules should not specify brands. In addition, using the word 'SPEC' for a class where a newbie can't run his RTR is bad for GT racing. We need more racers to run GT so any rule that excludes people is a bad idea.

tonylunatic

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Then your class would best be defined as "Open", but just curious can a buggy with street tires run? What rules do you have to define your class, if it's "bring and racer what you got" that's fine too. But organized racing is that organized.

MantisWorx

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You do not have to force anything, just run as you are and call it open(which is what they are), no big deal.Spec is not a requirement it is an option.

tonylunatic

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That would be Classic,

MantisWorx

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I am a little confused, so you think everything should just stay the same?
At least for 2013 a newbie was thrown to the wolf's in open if they wanted to run GT and nobody really seemed to care! Tony has given you the option to submit rules for your class and nobody will argue with you since it will technically be your class, i just dont see what the problem is. Now is your chance to do whatever it is that you want, Sky is the limit!! I thought that was a pretty cool option for Tony to put out there, the Serpent sportsman class

desotoracing

We believe that classes for GT should be:

Open
open motor but must be .28 or less
3500g weight minimum
150cc max tank
wing must not be higher than body roof (like .12 touring) to keep GT look
max width 310mm
rubber tires only (max tire width 45mm)

Sportsman/Spec
same as Open plus the following rules:
motor: any open motor w/6mm restrictor or any pull/roto start motor (as found in RTR cars)
no pro drivers (pro drivers are defined as any driver that has finished on the podium of any large open GT race or 100% sponsored drivers)
optional: spec tire (track operator decision)


We don't support the Formula REDS class proposed by Tony/Marcus because it excludes beginners from participating.

Grenade10

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What, you you want me to run in another class ???????

I'm not sure but Gus, maybe the only one running this class and traveling events older than me ........ I don't need Viagra ......

spooky 1

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You don't have to need it to enjoy it. I need it. I know we have a bunch of over 50 drivers in GT. That could be a fun class.

SteveP

Of the two popular tires already in use in the GT class, one is 41mm and the other is 47mm. So, perhaps it's a typo, but the max (perhaps only in the rear) should be 47mm. I like some of the other ideas as well. I don't support open motors in any class. My personal preference would be for spec and perhaps a "modified" class in which a more powerful engine, but not ridiculously priced, can be used. I would support more specific limits on the construction of the engines, which naturally limits the cost and performance, without getting too stuck on a price (although a ceiling should exists there as well). I think we need to be smart about including as much detail as possible in the rules (while still making it easy to comply) to avoid the class killing mistakes that wide open rules have allowed in the past.

MantisWorx

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First of all it is not my proposal it is Tony's gig, i have nothing to do with IGT8F and i have already stated that numerous times.
What is Formula REDS class??
So are these the rules that you are sending to IGT8F for the Serpent/Nova/Desoto sponsored sportsman class?
How many beginners participated this past year?
It is no surprise that you do not support anything with REDS, your just doing your job!!

tonylunatic

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So just to be CRYSTAL CLEAR, your above OPEN is exactly IGT8F OPEN Class Rules now with the exception of the INS Box and bit more detailed. Are we good with that?

Your purposed Sportsman class, are those the Submitted rules? If they are, your racers and suporters can count on Desoto Racing/Serpent America to support and Officially Sponsor BOTH the "OPEN & SPORTSMAN" Classes?

It's seems like you just don't like the fact I created a class, entirely.......

The only reason I countinue to try to work with you Desoto Racing /Serpent America is out of RESPECT for you and what you have and countinue to do for the RC industry.
Why can't you seem to give me a small percentage of that same RESPECT for actually doing something. Maybe not to your pleasing or liking but something to move us forward.

You have my number and email on file, I am always available. But you have not remotely tempted to reach out.

At the end of the day it's the same goal, a set of rules everyone can follow and easy to tech.

So what do you purposal?

spooky 1

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We manage to get a number of new racers involved every season with our sportsman class. Having any car that meets open requirements in there doesn't hurt the chances of the rtr guy that shows up. I proved it to them one race when I heard some new guys saying they didn't have the engine or chassis another guy had and they felt out classed. I took their RTR GT2 Kyosho , stock tires and all and ran with all of them and lapped the field in a qualifier. They all realized it was driving experience and not the car. That is what sportsman is about. A place to learn.

MantisWorx

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Funny thing is that there really is no argument from IGT8F on sportsman rules, thats Desotos call. SPEC is written in stone, a done deal. What exactly are we arguing about???If what he posted is what he wants then thats it! Only thing left is for official submission by OCT 1st and we can all move on, RIGHT??