GT class--buggy-based on road!
#3646
Little report because I know most of you guys are always interested about engine performance: Comparing the Novarossi S21 P3 and Team Orion CRF21 -
I ran Orion with 16% nitro & Kyosho "rear exhaust" IGW-007 pipe and Nova with 25% and their pipe - Orion was notably more powerful and ran better & more smoothly whereas with the P3 I had constantly the feeling that I have to "pull" the trigger to get the relatively big car moving. Evidence is also, that I had to adjust the shift point of the tranny by opening 1/2 turn to make it shift earlier i.e. on lower rpm with the P3.
This is really no big surprise since the Orion "race" model is roughly double the price of the Novarossi "sport" engine. Nova is not bad, but leaves some room for more power - or the wish for it.. but it surely looks nice
I ran Orion with 16% nitro & Kyosho "rear exhaust" IGW-007 pipe and Nova with 25% and their pipe - Orion was notably more powerful and ran better & more smoothly whereas with the P3 I had constantly the feeling that I have to "pull" the trigger to get the relatively big car moving. Evidence is also, that I had to adjust the shift point of the tranny by opening 1/2 turn to make it shift earlier i.e. on lower rpm with the P3.
This is really no big surprise since the Orion "race" model is roughly double the price of the Novarossi "sport" engine. Nova is not bad, but leaves some room for more power - or the wish for it.. but it surely looks nice
#3647
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From what I've heard that's true! But I seen guys running LRP motors and Picco's 28's which are not on the approved motors list for the spec class so... IDK I seen people runing these motors during practice days not sure if they where allowed to race with them at the Midwest race last weekend.
I was dqed' last year for running a Picco .21 well, not really dqed' but the points from that race didn't count for me. This was at the GT point series.
I was dqed' last year for running a Picco .21 well, not really dqed' but the points from that race didn't count for me. This was at the GT point series.
#3648
At the Ipanema GT Worlds we saw the “Spec” class Champion’s “pull-start” crankshaft break in half 44 minutes into the 45 minute A Main.
It’s been our racing experience to see the occasional pull-start engine failures, due to air leaking conditions, broken cords, bearing failures, crank-shaft fractures and explosions in some engines; all resulting in end of fun for the GT racer at our events.
That is why we did away with the manditory pull-start engine requirement.
So Mika...
How was "run time" between the 2 engines?
It’s been our racing experience to see the occasional pull-start engine failures, due to air leaking conditions, broken cords, bearing failures, crank-shaft fractures and explosions in some engines; all resulting in end of fun for the GT racer at our events.
That is why we did away with the manditory pull-start engine requirement.
So Mika...
How was "run time" between the 2 engines?
#3649
Jeff.. sorry haven't clocked the ORION, Nova seems to be well above the 10minute range with 150ml tank.. somehow I believe them being rather equal.. Orion may burn more (power requires fuel) but you can also run it a bit leaner...
#3651
2010 GT Class Rules
All brands of cars that fit into the following rules are permitted to compete in the GT class.
These rules allow for some "racer inovations" to flourish, but at the same time will maintain the spirit of the class.
1. Chassis: Any 1/8 Buggy/Truggy based and shaft driven chassis GT nitro cars.
(Any manufacture or off-road racer conversions are OK also.)
Cars can only use commercially available production
aluminum lower chassis plates. No carbon fiber lower chassis
plates are permitted.
2. Body: Any commercially available "GT" race car stylr/type body. Must look
like a car that could actually be driven on the street with a passenger
in real life or full scale. The engines cooling head fins can not be
exposed from the top or the sides of the body. Rear wing or
spoiler must be attaxhed to the actual body. (No chassis mounted
or "buggy/truggy" type wing mounts).
3. Tires must
fit under the car's body from overhead view. Adding "fender flairs"
on the body to increase tire coverage is not allowed. No "foam"
tires permitted.
4. Fuel Capacity: All cars can have 1 fuel tnak with a maximum capacity of
150cc.
5. Diffs: Cars must be equiped with standard gear diffs only. No "TCD"
type diffs are permitted.
6. Clutch: No "adjustable" or "slider" type clutches allowed. Only 2, 3, or 4
shoe buggy based systems are allowed.
7: Engine: Cars can use any of the engines from the "Approved" list. All spec
engine internal parts must remain 100% un-modified factory stock.
Racers may remove the "Pull-Starter" from Approved engines and
replace the back plate. The engine's crankshaft and all internal
parts must remain "100% un-modified factory stock".
GT Class Approved Engines
Kyosho: GXR28SG
Kyosho: GXR28 (KYO74025)
Ofna: .28 Force (OFN52217)
Ofna: Hyper .28 (OFN53220)
Axial: .28 Spec (AX001)
Axial: .28 Spec (AX002)
Sportwerks M26 (SWK8085)
Go Technology: .21 3 Port (GTR213PT)
OS Engines: 21VG(P) (OSMG2058)
The engines listed above offer a ;evel playing feild for the GT class racers.
All brands of cars that fit into the following rules are permitted to compete in the GT class.
These rules allow for some "racer inovations" to flourish, but at the same time will maintain the spirit of the class.
1. Chassis: Any 1/8 Buggy/Truggy based and shaft driven chassis GT nitro cars.
(Any manufacture or off-road racer conversions are OK also.)
Cars can only use commercially available production
aluminum lower chassis plates. No carbon fiber lower chassis
plates are permitted.
2. Body: Any commercially available "GT" race car stylr/type body. Must look
like a car that could actually be driven on the street with a passenger
in real life or full scale. The engines cooling head fins can not be
exposed from the top or the sides of the body. Rear wing or
spoiler must be attaxhed to the actual body. (No chassis mounted
or "buggy/truggy" type wing mounts).
3. Tires must
fit under the car's body from overhead view. Adding "fender flairs"
on the body to increase tire coverage is not allowed. No "foam"
tires permitted.
4. Fuel Capacity: All cars can have 1 fuel tnak with a maximum capacity of
150cc.
5. Diffs: Cars must be equiped with standard gear diffs only. No "TCD"
type diffs are permitted.
6. Clutch: No "adjustable" or "slider" type clutches allowed. Only 2, 3, or 4
shoe buggy based systems are allowed.
7: Engine: Cars can use any of the engines from the "Approved" list. All spec
engine internal parts must remain 100% un-modified factory stock.
Racers may remove the "Pull-Starter" from Approved engines and
replace the back plate. The engine's crankshaft and all internal
parts must remain "100% un-modified factory stock".
GT Class Approved Engines
Kyosho: GXR28SG
Kyosho: GXR28 (KYO74025)
Ofna: .28 Force (OFN52217)
Ofna: Hyper .28 (OFN53220)
Axial: .28 Spec (AX001)
Axial: .28 Spec (AX002)
Sportwerks M26 (SWK8085)
Go Technology: .21 3 Port (GTR213PT)
OS Engines: 21VG(P) (OSMG2058)
The engines listed above offer a ;evel playing feild for the GT class racers.
Last edited by Bubba Cola; 06-03-2010 at 07:11 AM.
#3654
Its excellent to see the “GT Spec Class” rules being utilized by Bernie & “Leisure Hours” are solid.
My understanding is that during the “Byron’s Fuels” event we’ll be running the “GT Spec Class” only. We should all understand & respect that 100%.
The “2010 Ipanema Sports US GT Nationals” event also being held at “Leisure Hours Hobbies”, will have “GT Spec” – “GT Open” – “GT Electric” classes too.
It’s going to be a great summer!
My understanding is that during the “Byron’s Fuels” event we’ll be running the “GT Spec Class” only. We should all understand & respect that 100%.
The “2010 Ipanema Sports US GT Nationals” event also being held at “Leisure Hours Hobbies”, will have “GT Spec” – “GT Open” – “GT Electric” classes too.
It’s going to be a great summer!
Last edited by Jspeed; 06-03-2010 at 12:07 PM.
#3655
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I am looking for some measurements on the Kyosho GT1 or GT2 front bumper. If someone could help me with this I would appreciate it very much. Just need the measurements between mounting holes for the screws.
I am converting my Thunder Tiger ST-1 truggy to GT2 specs, but cannot find the rally bumper anywhere, so I am hoping the Kyosho will fit with no or minor mods.
I am using the ST-1 chassis/drive train, with the S3 suspension and custom shock towers. Haven't decided on shocks yet. The truggy chassis's wheelbase matches the GT2's, so I will be able to use GT2 bodies.
Thanks again in advance.
I am converting my Thunder Tiger ST-1 truggy to GT2 specs, but cannot find the rally bumper anywhere, so I am hoping the Kyosho will fit with no or minor mods.
I am using the ST-1 chassis/drive train, with the S3 suspension and custom shock towers. Haven't decided on shocks yet. The truggy chassis's wheelbase matches the GT2's, so I will be able to use GT2 bodies.
Thanks again in advance.
#3656
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Yea Good thing
Kyosho: GXR28 (KYO74025) = Should be used as a R/C Boat anchor
Sportwerks M26 (SWK8085) whose brain child was this, LMAO No local H/S has this on their shelf LMAO
Go Technology: .21 3 Port (GTR213PT) this engine has not been available in the last year and a half, GL finding this engine.
Down to 3 engines to choose from.
Guess OS is going to make out on this class. LMAO
Ofna: .28 Force
Axial: .28 Spec
OS Engines: 21VG
Always thought spec racing should be fun. You are trying to attract new racers with crap engines. GL
Maybe if you’re lucky Ofna will come out and give a tutorial on how to properly fix a pull start
Glad Mr. Desoto and Novarossi have stepped up at other tracks with affordable "spec" Italian Quality Engines.
Last edited by *1speedy; 06-03-2010 at 09:01 PM.
#3657
Tech Champion
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WOW
Bottom line is you could win with any of those engines if you are a good driver.
Thanks Bernie for posting those.And what you and Jeff are doing for the class.I dont see anyone else stepping up and doing it.Just complaining.
Rules are rules.Guess I will just save the LRP for the Midwest series stuff.
And get that thing dialed Bernie.Im coming for you.
Pete
Bottom line is you could win with any of those engines if you are a good driver.
Thanks Bernie for posting those.And what you and Jeff are doing for the class.I dont see anyone else stepping up and doing it.Just complaining.
Rules are rules.Guess I will just save the LRP for the Midwest series stuff.
And get that thing dialed Bernie.Im coming for you.
Pete
#3658
Tech Elite
iTrader: (4)
WOW
Bottom line is you could win with any of those engines if you are a good driver.
Thanks Bernie for posting those.And what you and Jeff are doing for the class.I dont see anyone else stepping up and doing it.Just complaining.
Rules are rules.Guess I will just save the LRP for the Midwest series stuff.
And get that thing dialed Bernie.Im coming for you.
Pete
Bottom line is you could win with any of those engines if you are a good driver.
Thanks Bernie for posting those.And what you and Jeff are doing for the class.I dont see anyone else stepping up and doing it.Just complaining.
Rules are rules.Guess I will just save the LRP for the Midwest series stuff.
And get that thing dialed Bernie.Im coming for you.
Pete
I especially like the part that I highlighted in bold. Less complaining and more racing!!!
#3660
Yea Good thing
Kyosho: GXR28 (KYO74025) = Should be used as a R/C Boat anchor
Sportwerks M26 (SWK8085) whose brain child was this, LMAO No local H/S has this on their shelf LMAO
Go Technology: .21 3 Port (GTR213PT) this engine has not been available in the last year and a half, GL finding this engine.
Down to 3 engines to choose from.
Guess OS is going to make out on this class. LMAO
Ofna: .28 Force
Axial: .28 Spec
OS Engines: 21VG
Always thought spec racing should be fun. You are trying to attract new racers with crap engines. GL
Maybe if you’re lucky Ofna will come out and give a tutorial on how to properly fix a pull start
Glad Mr. Desoto and Novarossi have stepped up at other tracks with affordable "spec" Italian Quality Engines.
Kyosho: GXR28 (KYO74025) = Should be used as a R/C Boat anchor
Sportwerks M26 (SWK8085) whose brain child was this, LMAO No local H/S has this on their shelf LMAO
Go Technology: .21 3 Port (GTR213PT) this engine has not been available in the last year and a half, GL finding this engine.
Down to 3 engines to choose from.
Guess OS is going to make out on this class. LMAO
Ofna: .28 Force
Axial: .28 Spec
OS Engines: 21VG
Always thought spec racing should be fun. You are trying to attract new racers with crap engines. GL
Maybe if you’re lucky Ofna will come out and give a tutorial on how to properly fix a pull start
Glad Mr. Desoto and Novarossi have stepped up at other tracks with affordable "spec" Italian Quality Engines.