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Old 05-14-2010, 07:51 PM   #3496
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Those motors are not legal in spec class. Who ok them?
There are no official rules for GT at this point. Depending on what race you attend the rules might be a little different. A few people have implemented their own rules for the races they promote and/or run. Jeff-Ipanema has a version, Steve Pond is working on the rules for ROAR, I put on the the "Novarossi Challenge" series (CA, CT & FL), FORGASS here in Florida will be running the class as part of the Florida State On-road Gas series, local tracks have their own flavor, etc. The engines I labeled 'Spec' fall under the spirit of the Spec class: 3 or 5 ports, $250 or less, nothing exotic...

BTW Today, the goal is to add more racers to the GT class. We should welcome all new GT racers. Instead of focusing on what engine a person runs, shouldn't we be focusing on promoting the GT class and helping put on events where you and other GT racers can go and have a good time?
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Old 05-14-2010, 08:11 PM   #3497
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Can you post some pictures of the N21-3T and the N21-5T please? What pipes are recomended with these two engines?

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There are no official rules for GT at this point. Depending on what race you attend the rules might be a little different. A few people have implemented their own rules for the races they promote and/or run. Jeff-Ipanema has a version, Steve Pond is working on the rules for ROAR, I put on the the "Novarossi Challenge" series (CA, CT & FL), FORGASS here in Florida will be running the class as part of the Florida State On-road Gas series, local tracks have their own flavor, etc.
Jaoquin, I am very disappointed that you have chosen to conduct your company’s business in such a disrespectful and deplorable manner.

Your total arrogance & lack of respect to some of our most esteemed international GT Spec Class Founders and GT Spec class racers is not the path best chosen, as a newbe player in the GT Spec class arena looking to gain trust.

There are rules that most of us follow around the GT Spec class world, most are very close, with only slight differences. Maybe you might want to learn some of them, before you disrespect us all again.

O'yeah, you might also stop bragging to people about what you want them to believe what you think you have done for GT racing and try to learn why GT SPEC CLASS racing has been growing strong without any negativity from you.

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Old 05-15-2010, 04:29 AM   #3499
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Seems like soto just wants to sell his product. Don't mess up a good thing please.
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Old 05-15-2010, 06:13 PM   #3500
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Jaoquin, I am very disappointed that you have chosen to conduct your company’s business in such a disrespectful and deplorable manner.

Your total arrogance & lack of respect to some of our most esteemed international GT Spec Class Founders and GT Spec class racers is not the path best chosen, as a newbe player in the GT Spec class arena looking to gain trust.

There are rules that most of us follow around the GT Spec class world, most are very close, with only slight differences. Maybe you might want to learn some of them, before you disrespect us all again.

O'yeah, you might also stop bragging to people about what you want them to believe what you think you have done for GT racing and try to learn why GT SPEC CLASS racing has been growing strong without any negativity from you.
Jeff, your post is a lie, defamatory and libel. I will forward your post to my lawyer. It is now very clear to me why so many people in this sport refuse to work with you.

ROAR/IFMAR are the only official governing organizations. You have no authority or right to evaluate products for them. I will work with ROAR-Steve.
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Old 05-16-2010, 01:27 AM   #3502
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In MY opinion I just think all this drama is really unecessary...

It seems like Joaquin in more interested in selling his engines than helping the Spec class grow. Joaquin please don't take this too personal I really wouldn't want to deal with your lawyer but why can't you just be a little PATIENT and wait for the engines to be approved first!!! weather it be by Jeff, ROAR, IFMAR or whoever is supposed to approved them??? Do you know what the spec class is about??? Correct me if i'm wrong but the idea is to keep everything as "fare", "similar" or whatever you want to call it as possible so that no one has advantage over tthe others because he's running a more powerful engine or aftermarket hop ups! I mean am I right or what?

In my understanding the SPEC class is one of the cheapest nitro classes anyone can get into and be competitive. I think that's why Victor has been very succesfull in Mexico, now why try to ruin that??? Theres the OPEN class run whatever you please in that class!!! Anyway I'm sure one of the Mexican drivers has a good chance of winning in the open class running a spec engine anyway so what's the big deal????

Joaquin please don't take this to the heart just my opinion! If you don't like it just pretend you didn't read this... OK>?
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Anyway I'm sure one of the Mexican drivers has a good chance of winning in the open class running a spec engine anyway so what's the big deal????
Last time I checked two Americans were crowned world champions...

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correct guys just some info of knowledge here....why don't they make the rules simple like modified & unmodified classes. pretty much majority of the engines equality match...

i know we trying to keep cost down but it tough...for example: look at the slash class i know its offroad but it started out $129-$150 class now its a $500 class now
lets keep it simple and fun before you know with all the rules we going to have to take study course & test to get degree to race lol
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I confused here.. why is everyone jumping down Jaoquins throat. If he wants to have a "Novarossi Challenge" with his own set of rules then thats his right.

Ipanema will retain their version and Roar will come up with their own. Local tracks / clubs in the end set up their own version / twist of the rules anyways. This is nothing new.

As far as him trying to sell his product, well he is not the only one.
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Old 05-16-2010, 12:48 PM   #3506
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Last time I checked two Americans were crowned world champions...

GO USA
Yes that's right. Did you checked the lap times?
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I confused here.. why is everyone jumping down Jaoquins throat. If he wants to have a "Novarossi Challenge" with his own set of rules then thats his right.

Ipanema will retain their version and Roar will come up with their own. Local tracks / clubs in the end set up their own version / twist of the rules anyways. This is nothing new.

As far as him trying to sell his product, well he is not the only one.
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I confused here.. why is everyone jumping down Jaoquins throat. If he wants to have a "Novarossi Challenge" with his own set of rules then thats his right.

Ipanema will retain their version and Roar will come up with their own. Local tracks / clubs in the end set up their own version / twist of the rules anyways. This is nothing new.

As far as him trying to sell his product, well he is not the only one.
Can you think of how this affects the "SPEC" class if everyone is running their own set of "spec" rules???

I'm just a regular customer, a nobody if you want but I think it has a negative effect on the class... Don't you think???

It brakes apart it's fundation and purpose
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Can you think of how this affects the "SPEC" class if everyone is running their own set of "spec" rules???

I'm just a regular customer, a nobody if you want but I think it has a negative effect on the class... Don't you think???

It brakes apart it's fundation and purpose


"The engines I labeled 'Spec' fall under the spirit of the Spec class: 3 or 5 ports, $250 or less, nothing exotic..."

I don't think this statement diminishes the foundation of the GT class by budgeting in an $50 for a motor. But then again, like you, I too am just a nobody in this hobby.
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"The engines I labeled 'Spec' fall under the spirit of the Spec class: 3 or 5 ports, $250 or less, nothing exotic..."

I don't think this statement diminishes the foundation of the GT class by budgeting in an $50 for a motor. But then again, like you, I too am just a nobody in this hobby.
Raman,

What if I came to stay at your house and violated the rules of your house, disrespecting you in front of your family in the process? That is what this is all about. Instead of going through the proper channels, which jdesoto knew and was told, he decided to disrespect the work and rules that Jspeed, Ipanema, and many others put forward and just decided to do whatever he felt because he disagrees with what has been established and told us so. The rules are the rules, plain and simple. What happens if you do 80 in a 65 zone on the highway? If a patrol officer sees you and clocks you, you get stopped for speeding because you are violating the rule of law. This is what jdesoto's posting and subsequent posts do, disrespecting the folks that have been making GT racing into what it is now and totally disregarding what has been established. That may sit fine with some, but for those that had and have been working hard at establishing GT into a viable and credible racing class with those that think it is just a passing fad and the r/c community as a whole, this is like a slap to their faces.
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