GT class--buggy-based on road!
#1546
What I think he's trying to say is that how come the GT2 can run with the GT1's and the DM1spec but the DM1 1/7th scale cant, when the GT2 is a few mm short from the 1/7th scale DM1, being though that the word was that ofna made the DM-1spec to race with the IGT1's and the GT2's were made to race against the DM1 1/7th scale due to the new sizes from each company, that should make a little since!!! or better yet let all the GT class cars just race each other no-matter what dont single out one car. so if they only allow the GT2 and the GT1 and the DM1spec race each other so what the DM-1 1/7th scale is just for parking lots and bashing or are they suppose to race 1/5th scale!!!
#1547
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What I think he's trying to say is that how come the GT2 can run with the GT1's and the DM1spec but the DM1 1/7th scale cant, when the GT2 is a few mm short from the 1/7th scale DM1, being though that the word was that ofna made the DM-1spec to race with the IGT1's and the GT2's were made to race against the DM1 1/7th scale due to the new sizes from each company, that should make a little since!!! or better yet let all the GT class cars just race each other no-matter what dont single out one car. so if they only allow the GT2 and the GT1 and the DM1spec race each other so what the DM-1 1/7th scale is just for parking lots and bashing or are they suppose to race 1/5th scale!!!
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#1548
If you own a DM-1 you are SOL, go run by yourself, us 1/8 scale guys don't like you and the 1/5 scale guys, well when we find some I will ask them. No one wants to play with you DM-1 owners, think you are so special that you guys can't obey the rules. If it isn't a kyohso, you can't play with us.... get the heck out of here you DM-1 owners... well actually we don't mind you DM-1 Spec owners but make sure you use the Kyosho engine .28 engine.
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#1549
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TBO,
I ment it as a joke, you see the laughing faces after my post. I too own several DM-1's so I am in the same boat as you. It seems some racers are afraid of a car which is a little longer than the IGT2. I'm open minded, I prefer racing GT open class, I have been preching that since the discussion of GT class started. It doesnt matter to me who comes with the $800 engine, or $1000 sets of tires, or the $800 radio gear set up. I just want to race my car, run my 30 to 45 min main and do the best I can and most of all have fun.
I'm glad I'm racing this car in Houston, with open rules I have not heard of one complaint about too powerful of a motor or unfair advantage of foams and best of all the interest in the class is growing from week to week.
Last edited by vadn1; 11-16-2008 at 09:07 PM.
#1550
The real deciding factor seems to be where you’re racing any of the GT cars.
Some places race a “Spec” class based on the IGT chassis because of rules that we’re adopted and yes, they are brand specific to Kyosho IGT cars. Limited mods are allowed, kind of an easy to tech the cars and it makes for very close racing; ala “IROC”. The great majority of organized “GT” racing in the USA and several countries around the world are based around this “IGT Spec” class concept.
Some tracks and/or races are open to all buggy based chassis regardless of manufacture, with little or no rules on mods to attract anyone with a GT car to race. This is certainly “the money war class”. Tech is light and almost anything goes. Hi-dollar engines, exhausts, clutches, foams or rubbers… a free for all. I bet the “Open” class cars are a ton of fun to drive, so I can understand where “Open” racers are coming from there.
Some Series programs, tracks & races seem to be trying to accomplish rules that are somewhere in between the two extremes. That's cool too.
Time will tell what types of rules develop over the next few months, there will need to be concessions from both sides of the GT arena, for it to attract & maintain the forward growth of “GT” racing.
It’s too bad that the 2 main GT car manufacturers/distributors didn’t seize the opportunity to work together over a year and a half ago when the “GT Spec” class concept was in it’s infancy and being developed.
Maybe racers of any of the “GT” chassis could have raced together everywhere in “Spec” & “Open” class without any of the bickering this whole 2008 race season.
But hey, hindsight is always “20/20” and everyone is a “Monday Morning Quarterback” these days too…lol
See ya'll at the races.
Some places race a “Spec” class based on the IGT chassis because of rules that we’re adopted and yes, they are brand specific to Kyosho IGT cars. Limited mods are allowed, kind of an easy to tech the cars and it makes for very close racing; ala “IROC”. The great majority of organized “GT” racing in the USA and several countries around the world are based around this “IGT Spec” class concept.
Some tracks and/or races are open to all buggy based chassis regardless of manufacture, with little or no rules on mods to attract anyone with a GT car to race. This is certainly “the money war class”. Tech is light and almost anything goes. Hi-dollar engines, exhausts, clutches, foams or rubbers… a free for all. I bet the “Open” class cars are a ton of fun to drive, so I can understand where “Open” racers are coming from there.
Some Series programs, tracks & races seem to be trying to accomplish rules that are somewhere in between the two extremes. That's cool too.
Time will tell what types of rules develop over the next few months, there will need to be concessions from both sides of the GT arena, for it to attract & maintain the forward growth of “GT” racing.
It’s too bad that the 2 main GT car manufacturers/distributors didn’t seize the opportunity to work together over a year and a half ago when the “GT Spec” class concept was in it’s infancy and being developed.
Maybe racers of any of the “GT” chassis could have raced together everywhere in “Spec” & “Open” class without any of the bickering this whole 2008 race season.
But hey, hindsight is always “20/20” and everyone is a “Monday Morning Quarterback” these days too…lol
See ya'll at the races.
#1551
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Jspeed,
Folks just don't get the fact that things can get out of hand with this Spec class if you start allowing different types/brands of cars and having too many cars with too many different specs (who is going to police it). When this class got started, I wanted to run the IGT Spec class (looked like tons of fun) so I bought the IGT car, plain and simple. I fear that this class will eventually get lost because when you start pushing the envelope with the cars, then it will be with the engines, the hop-ups, the custom parts that others can't get, tires that others can't get, etc, etc. This is how the "money war" gets started and you will then see the ones that can't afford to keep up eventually drop out, thus, killing the class in the long haul. Just my $0.02.
Folks just don't get the fact that things can get out of hand with this Spec class if you start allowing different types/brands of cars and having too many cars with too many different specs (who is going to police it). When this class got started, I wanted to run the IGT Spec class (looked like tons of fun) so I bought the IGT car, plain and simple. I fear that this class will eventually get lost because when you start pushing the envelope with the cars, then it will be with the engines, the hop-ups, the custom parts that others can't get, tires that others can't get, etc, etc. This is how the "money war" gets started and you will then see the ones that can't afford to keep up eventually drop out, thus, killing the class in the long haul. Just my $0.02.
#1552
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just my 2 cents!!!
Jspeed,
Folks just don't get the fact that things can get out of hand with this Spec class if you start allowing different types/brands of cars and having too many cars with too many different specs (who is going to police it). When this class got started, I wanted to run the IGT Spec class (looked like tons of fun) so I bought the IGT car, plain and simple. I fear that this class will eventually get lost because when you start pushing the envelope with the cars, then it will be with the engines, the hop-ups, the custom parts that others can't get, tires that others can't get, etc, etc. This is how the "money war" gets started and you will then see the ones that can't afford to keep up eventually drop out, thus, killing the class in the long haul. Just my $0.02.
Folks just don't get the fact that things can get out of hand with this Spec class if you start allowing different types/brands of cars and having too many cars with too many different specs (who is going to police it). When this class got started, I wanted to run the IGT Spec class (looked like tons of fun) so I bought the IGT car, plain and simple. I fear that this class will eventually get lost because when you start pushing the envelope with the cars, then it will be with the engines, the hop-ups, the custom parts that others can't get, tires that others can't get, etc, etc. This is how the "money war" gets started and you will then see the ones that can't afford to keep up eventually drop out, thus, killing the class in the long haul. Just my $0.02.
#1553
Tech Regular
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maybe the rules needs to be overlooked!!!
The real deciding factor seems to be where you’re racing any of the GT cars.
Some places race a “Spec” class based on the IGT chassis because of rules that we’re adopted and yes, they are brand specific to Kyosho IGT cars. Limited mods are allowed, kind of an easy to tech the cars and it makes for very close racing; ala “IROC”. The great majority of organized “GT” racing in the USA and several countries around the world are based around this “IGT Spec” class concept.
Some tracks and/or races are open to all buggy based chassis regardless of manufacture, with little or no rules on mods to attract anyone with a GT car to race. This is certainly “the money war class”. Tech is light and almost anything goes. Hi-dollar engines, exhausts, clutches, foams or rubbers… a free for all. I bet the “Open” class cars are a ton of fun to drive, so I can understand where “Open” racers are coming from there.
Some Series programs, tracks & races seem to be trying to accomplish rules that are somewhere in between the two extremes. That's cool too.
Time will tell what types of rules develop over the next few months, there will need to be concessions from both sides of the GT arena, for it to attract & maintain the forward growth of “GT” racing.
It’s too bad that the 2 main GT car manufacturers/distributors didn’t seize the opportunity to work together over a year and a half ago when the “GT Spec” class concept was in it’s infancy and being developed.
Maybe racers of any of the “GT” chassis could have raced together everywhere in “Spec” & “Open” class without any of the bickering this whole 2008 race season.
But hey, hindsight is always “20/20” and everyone is a “Monday Morning Quarterback” these days too…lol
See ya'll at the races.
Some places race a “Spec” class based on the IGT chassis because of rules that we’re adopted and yes, they are brand specific to Kyosho IGT cars. Limited mods are allowed, kind of an easy to tech the cars and it makes for very close racing; ala “IROC”. The great majority of organized “GT” racing in the USA and several countries around the world are based around this “IGT Spec” class concept.
Some tracks and/or races are open to all buggy based chassis regardless of manufacture, with little or no rules on mods to attract anyone with a GT car to race. This is certainly “the money war class”. Tech is light and almost anything goes. Hi-dollar engines, exhausts, clutches, foams or rubbers… a free for all. I bet the “Open” class cars are a ton of fun to drive, so I can understand where “Open” racers are coming from there.
Some Series programs, tracks & races seem to be trying to accomplish rules that are somewhere in between the two extremes. That's cool too.
Time will tell what types of rules develop over the next few months, there will need to be concessions from both sides of the GT arena, for it to attract & maintain the forward growth of “GT” racing.
It’s too bad that the 2 main GT car manufacturers/distributors didn’t seize the opportunity to work together over a year and a half ago when the “GT Spec” class concept was in it’s infancy and being developed.
Maybe racers of any of the “GT” chassis could have raced together everywhere in “Spec” & “Open” class without any of the bickering this whole 2008 race season.
But hey, hindsight is always “20/20” and everyone is a “Monday Morning Quarterback” these days too…lol
See ya'll at the races.
#1554
Tech Regular
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If you own a DM-1 you are SOL, go run by yourself, us 1/8 scale guys don't like you and the 1/5 scale guys, well when we find some I will ask them. No one wants to play with you DM-1 owners, think you are so special that you guys can't obey the rules. If it isn't a kyohso, you can't play with us.... get the heck out of here you DM-1 owners... well actually we don't mind you DM-1 Spec owners but make sure you use the Kyosho engine .28 engine.
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#1555
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Real funny!!! Im glad you said you was joking because you probably wouldve really had some problems with this because you know how many people own DM-1's and I was thinking that maybe you was scared to run against a DM-1 with your IGT1 or 2 I hope thats not the case!!! But seriously lets try to get the GT class rather its spec or open popular like the on-road 1/8th and 1/10 scale class and lets work out these kinks to make sure this fun class continue to grow and stay fun!!!
....I run a DM-1 myself so no IGT here....
#1556
Jspeed,
Folks just don't get the fact that things can get out of hand with this Spec class if you start allowing different types/brands of cars and having too many cars with too many different specs (who is going to police it). When this class got started, I wanted to run the IGT Spec class (looked like tons of fun) so I bought the IGT car, plain and simple. I fear that this class will eventually get lost because when you start pushing the envelope with the cars, then it will be with the engines, the hop-ups, the custom parts that others can't get, tires that others can't get, etc, etc. This is how the "money war" gets started and you will then see the ones that can't afford to keep up eventually drop out, thus, killing the class in the long haul. Just my $0.02.
Folks just don't get the fact that things can get out of hand with this Spec class if you start allowing different types/brands of cars and having too many cars with too many different specs (who is going to police it). When this class got started, I wanted to run the IGT Spec class (looked like tons of fun) so I bought the IGT car, plain and simple. I fear that this class will eventually get lost because when you start pushing the envelope with the cars, then it will be with the engines, the hop-ups, the custom parts that others can't get, tires that others can't get, etc, etc. This is how the "money war" gets started and you will then see the ones that can't afford to keep up eventually drop out, thus, killing the class in the long haul. Just my $0.02.
Feel pretty much the same way as you. Planning on traveling a little next year, racing at facilities running “IGT Spec” events only, also thinking of checking out Mexico too.
What’s going to happen when the next manufacturer slaps a “Spec” sticker on an RTR box with a 7 port engine and front spool in their car?
Can hear it now?…. Why can’t I run my do-wa ditti “Spec” car or their “Ditty V03 Spec Kit” chassis?
But it says "Spec" in the box when I bought it, you guys just want to be "brand specific".
#1557
Vad,
Not trying to rag on ya or bash on your brand OK, but how many races do you think you missed this year in Florida because you didn't get an IGT car to race in the "Spec" class back in November of 07?
"GT Open" is cool & all, but we raced a lot of very cool IGT club races & events in 2008.. It was a very good year!
Good luck out in Texas, hope you get your "GT Open" class going strong.
Not trying to rag on ya or bash on your brand OK, but how many races do you think you missed this year in Florida because you didn't get an IGT car to race in the "Spec" class back in November of 07?
"GT Open" is cool & all, but we raced a lot of very cool IGT club races & events in 2008.. It was a very good year!
Good luck out in Texas, hope you get your "GT Open" class going strong.
#1558
Its alot of GT class racers out here who really love this class,and im one of them for sure,but honestly this how I feel for sure,and remember that this is my opinion only,I feel like there should be two classes for racing the GT's the open and the spec,nothing is wrong with that,but I feel like lets make it fair,by letting the IGT1 and the DM-1spec race together in either class spec or open only because the are close or same size,and let the IGT2's and the DM-1 1/7th scale race together since they are closer in size in either open or spec class.
My GT2 has every hopup on it thats available, shocks swaybars, etc... for open class but I wont enjoy racing it against the GT1 or dm-1spec but put me in there with the dm-1 1/7th scale and its on, because I feel like the race is equal rather its spec or open class!!!
My GT2 has every hopup on it thats available, shocks swaybars, etc... for open class but I wont enjoy racing it against the GT1 or dm-1spec but put me in there with the dm-1 1/7th scale and its on, because I feel like the race is equal rather its spec or open class!!!
A. Kyosho only offers the IGT1 on the Ferrari anymore and they may not do it forever, so eventually they'll be none in the Spec class.
B. The IGT2's length is not hardly a big deal, it has the same width too.
Anyone care to chime in on the weight, width & overall length of the 1/7 scale chassis?
#1559
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Jspeed,
Barry (Bvoltz) allowed the IGT2 to race with the IGT1 at his Bass Pro Series races this year and no one had a problem with it. In fact, we found out that the IGT2 has better turn-in and cornering speed than the IGT1. The win I got over at Bvoltz' Big Chill race two weeks ago, the two cars I had to fight off for the win were IGT2 (I raced my IGT1). So, in my opinion, running the IGT/IGT2 together is not a problem.
Barry (Bvoltz) allowed the IGT2 to race with the IGT1 at his Bass Pro Series races this year and no one had a problem with it. In fact, we found out that the IGT2 has better turn-in and cornering speed than the IGT1. The win I got over at Bvoltz' Big Chill race two weeks ago, the two cars I had to fight off for the win were IGT2 (I raced my IGT1). So, in my opinion, running the IGT/IGT2 together is not a problem.
#1560
Tech Regular
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Jspeed,
Barry (Bvoltz) allowed the IGT2 to race with the IGT1 at his Bass Pro Series races this year and no one had a problem with it. In fact, we found out that the IGT2 has better turn-in and cornering speed than the IGT1. The win I got over at Bvoltz' Big Chill race two weeks ago, the two cars I had to fight off for the win were IGT2 (I raced my IGT1). So, in my opinion, running the IGT/IGT2 together is not a problem.
Barry (Bvoltz) allowed the IGT2 to race with the IGT1 at his Bass Pro Series races this year and no one had a problem with it. In fact, we found out that the IGT2 has better turn-in and cornering speed than the IGT1. The win I got over at Bvoltz' Big Chill race two weeks ago, the two cars I had to fight off for the win were IGT2 (I raced my IGT1). So, in my opinion, running the IGT/IGT2 together is not a problem.