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Old 05-07-2009, 06:13 PM   #871
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I use shoe-goo and have never had a failure, but I don't use a ton of breaks.
Thanks for the info will try it this weekend.
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Old 05-07-2009, 06:27 PM   #872
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I run a 4-shoe clutch in my 4R and my son runs a 3 shoe in his 4X. I find the Orion works best in the 3 shoe clutch you can set it up very aggressive.
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Old 05-07-2009, 11:36 PM   #873
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@Sohlman and Mike Strack

Thanks a lot for your feedback. Will give the 3-shoe type a try...
Btw, which spring, shoes and gaps do you use?

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Old 05-08-2009, 10:38 AM   #874
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@Sohlman and Mike Strack

Thanks a lot for your feedback. Will give the 3-shoe type a try...
Btw, which spring, shoes and gaps do you use?

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Hello fulcrum2,

With the MSR Clutch Spring and the Mugen Yellow Clutch Shoe:

On a 4D Clutch set up: Put on 10.2 mm (and dial in from there)

On a 3D Clutch set up: Put on 9.4 mm (and dial in from there)

Measure it from the tip of the crank to the flat surface of the clutch spring nut.
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Old 05-08-2009, 12:01 PM   #875
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Thanks a lot Ron!

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Old 05-08-2009, 03:14 PM   #876
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The Orion square spring does add a little bit something different
For the inner bearing I use the one with a flang as the side belt tensioner does.
Oh yes, our own red shoe,
Damn Roelof, quit giving away all my secrets.
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I think it's everyone little secret now

Roelof : the fifth one on the right is titanium clutchbell. Very nice.
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Damn Roelof, quit giving away all my secrets.
can you run that bearing on the 4d with same results?
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Old 05-09-2009, 07:49 PM   #879
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Yes.
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Old 05-10-2009, 12:27 AM   #880
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Guys, what´s so special about this bearing? I understand that the spring can make a difference, but how does the bearing improve the clutch? Is it Mugen H0603 5x10 flange?

Thanks, Stefan
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It eliminates some shims between the fly wheel nut and the rear bearing.
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Old 05-10-2009, 02:22 PM   #882
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It doesn't effect performance, just reduces the shims needed to set it up.
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Because the flang the bearings are placed a tiny bit further from each other which lowers the sideway play. But indeed it minimized the needed shims.

For those who have used many axial bearings, keep the steel plates and use a brass ring 10x5mm as gliding bearing, nor more failing axial bearings for sure!



These brass rings can be found in any hardware store, 10 for a dollar....
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I like that idea but I haven't blown a thrust bearing since the one that came with my first MRX-3 died. Proper maintenance and they last forever.

Plus, 5x10 brass washers may be common in Europe but I doubt many US hardware stores have them.
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[QUOTE=wingracer;5794660]I like that idea but I haven't blown a thrust bearing since the one that came with my first MRX-3 died. Proper maintenance and they last forever.

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