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Old 01-13-2009, 12:29 PM   #631
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I can work on a set up sheet that is more thorough which can be posted or emailed over. But here is the basic info:

FRONT:
Track width : 252 mm
Ride Height : 6 mm
Camber : -1.5
Toe : out 0.5 (each)
Shock position : B
Spring : Grey
Shock Oil : 600 (stock)
Steering Ackerman : A
Droop : 1.5 mm up travel
Wheel Base : Short

REAR:
Track width : 262 mm
Ride Height : 7 mm
Camber : - 3.5
Toe : in 1.5 (each)
Shock position : C
Spring : Grey
Shock Oil : 700
Rear Block : 5.0
Droop : 2.0 mm up travel
Floating Body Mount : Long: Part# H0466F (Use outer hole)

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16/50 1st
20/46 2nd
Side Pulley : 26T
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Old 01-13-2009, 12:31 PM   #632
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Checking to see you've found where the camber issue is? I believe you race at Crystal Park?? Let me know so I can help solve it and get it ready for the Kamikaze Race.

We were at CP yesterday. Swauger was testing the MRX4-X on the new layout.. Changed a few things from the previous set-up and by the end of the day, we have the car set where it's good for the new track.
Thanks Ron i appreciate it, i'll be at crystal this fri and sat and maybe sunday, i'll try the new set up you have posted to see if it werks for me.
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Old 01-13-2009, 07:11 PM   #633
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avs,

I can work on a set up sheet that is more thorough which can be posted or emailed over. But here is the basic info:

FRONT:
Track width : 252 mm
Ride Height : 6 mm
Camber : -1.5
Toe : out 0.5 (each)
Shock position : B
Spring : Grey
Shock Oil : 600 (stock)
Steering Ackerman : A
Droop : 1.5 mm up travel
Wheel Base : Short

REAR:
Track width : 262 mm
Ride Height : 7 mm
Camber : - 3.5
Toe : in 1.5 (each)
Shock position : C
Spring : Grey
Shock Oil : 700
Rear Block : 5.0
Droop : 2.0 mm up travel
Floating Body Mount : Long: Part# H0466F (Use outer hole)

GEARING:

16/50 1st
20/46 2nd
Side Pulley : 26T

Ron, thank you very much for sharing, i appreciate it.
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Old 01-14-2009, 11:06 AM   #634
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Hey Ron can you send me your set-up please and what type body being used
Hi Jon,

I tested first with the Central body and was good.

Swauger was testing with the Zytec. He had me use his body after, and found it to be smoother and predictable when negotiating around corners. It was also more stable especially in the new areas of the track where traction was still green.
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WHEN YOU GOING BACK OUT
I plan to be at CP Sunday, how about you?
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Old 01-14-2009, 11:17 AM   #636
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Thanks Ron i appreciate it, i'll be at crystal this fri and sat and maybe sunday, i'll try the new set up you have posted to see if it werks for me.
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Ron, thank you very much for sharing, i appreciate it.

You're welcome guys... always.

We'll be at CP this weekend and ofcourse next weekend. If you need any help with the car, feel free....
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Good I hope to see you there then
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Thanks Ron and to Mugen team for sharing the setup for Crystal Park. It made it easier to drive.
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Can anyone teach me again about steering ackerman A,B,C ?

Is this ABC has something to do with aggressiveness vs smoothness of how the car turns ?

Or, is it something to do with the radius ( the radii ) how the car complete a circle ? I mean wide circle vs small circle ?

I am using C at the moment. I need more steering power ( without understeering ) at the middle of a tight corner. My intial steering is already abundance. The middle steering is problem, it turns wide..... very wide.

Thanks people.
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Can anyone teach me again about steering ackerman A,B,C ?

Is this ABC has something to do with aggressiveness vs smoothness of how the car turns ?

Or, is it something to do with the radius ( the radii ) how the car complete a circle ? I mean wide circle vs small circle ?

I am using C at the moment. I need more steering power ( without understeering ) at the middle of a tight corner. My intial steering is already abundance. The middle steering is problem, it turns wide..... very wide.

Thanks people.
Instead of adding more Ackerman by going to "B" or "A" you may want to try and adjust the "Caster" to give you more turn in. Unfortunately, any adjustment you make will effect all turns, sweepers and tigth hairpins. You will have to adjust the way you drive into the sweeper (slightly reduced steering) and you will then have all you need in a thight turn. I am also including a link that may help if you read the four pages of the ALIGNMENT section;
http://users.telenet.be/elvo/
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Can anyone teach me again about steering ackerman A,B,C ?

Is this ABC has something to do with aggressiveness vs smoothness of how the car turns ?

Or, is it something to do with the radius ( the radii ) how the car complete a circle ? I mean wide circle vs small circle ?

I am using C at the moment. I need more steering power ( without understeering ) at the middle of a tight corner. My intial steering is already abundance. The middle steering is problem, it turns wide..... very wide.

Thanks people.

Using (a) will give you smoother turn in and more on power steering coming out of the turns.....
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Thank you Francis and Woodland Racer.

Francis, when you said " Using (a) will give you smoother turn in and more on power steering coming out of the turns..... "

Is that also means less push on middle cornering too ?

Thank you.


2ndly, still in regards to push out at the middle cornering problems, my friend(s) in track tell me to put more caster ( more incline ). Oppositely, I read roelof's webpage to put less caster ( more vertical ). Huh ???
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Old 01-22-2009, 12:36 AM   #643
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Thank you Francis and Woodland Racer.

Francis, when you said " Using (a) will give you smoother turn in and more on power steering coming out of the turns..... "

Is that also means less push on middle cornering too ?

Thank you.


2ndly, still in regards to push out at the middle cornering problems, my friend(s) in track tell me to put more caster ( more incline ). Oppositely, I read roelof's webpage to put less caster ( more vertical ). Huh ???

Not sure what is causing the push in the middle of the corner for you.... I would just go with Ackerman A first and see how it goes. Some of the handling issues could also be just from the type of body you are using....
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Hi Jon,

I tested first with the Central body and was good.

Swauger was testing with the Zytec. He had me use his body after, and found it to be smoother and predictable when negotiating around corners. It was also more stable especially in the new areas of the track where traction was still green.
Hi Guys,

In connection with the type of body to use at CP... Swauger tested the new P909 body last weekend and was more happy with it all around (without any set up changes from the prior weekend).

I just thought of posting this here as an alternative or option on body choices... I personally am hoping to get one painted for myself to use this weekend.
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Just tried the Set Up most of the mugen team has been running....
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