Originally posted by me43
yes you do want the best, but not if its ur first, and the mugen doesnt have good instructions and he needs to save up for tires and tuning parts
trust me you dont wana get a mugen if its ur first and tires cost alot
Haven't heard ever a more biased opinion about a car, let's make things clear and straight, because many of yours suffer about fanatism.
First: Let's take the price approach to those two cars, prices taken from speedtechrc:
NTC3 Rear exhaust: 264.99 US$
Mugen w/ MR12: 519.99 US$
1. Roll bars:
- NTC3: Needs to be added as an option 34.99 US$ front plus 7.50 US$ the rear. Subtotal: 42.49 US$.
- Mugen: Come with the front and rear: Subtotal: 0.00 US$
- NTC3: Comes with the crappy one chamber, if you're serious you'll go for the two chamber instead: 39.99 US$ or 49.99 US$ for the 'cheap' RDlogics one (not turbo).
- MTX3: Needs a pipe and a manifold: Novarossi 52624 'One-piece unit' Subtotal: 69.99 US$
3. Front one-way diff:
- NTC3: Comes with a ball diff, if you run foams
you'll need it
: 53.99 US$
- MTX3: Comes with a front one-way: 0.00 US$
In fact you'll want to run rubbers with those car, you'll only need to buy the outdrives and the inner gears, kit comes with the front diff housing and for less than 20 US$ you can get the 3 bags to make the front diff.
- NTC3: Doesn't come with. Put a Mugen MR12. Subtotal: 166.99
- MTX3: Came with a MR12 like the one we put on the NTC3: Subtotal: 0.00 US$
5. 'Hop-ups' for racing:
Steering bearings: 10.99 US$
Stiffer servo saver spring (#6587): About 2.50 US$ - Don't have listed.
Harder clutch springs: 2.49 US$.
Front CVD's: Really needed. 31.99 US$
- NTC3: Come with a crappy set of Proline Rage who lasts for less than break-in the engine, later you need to buy foams... How about a Jaco 40sh for front & Rear? : Add 31.49 US$ more.
- MTX3: Come with a foams set: Subtotal 0.00 US$
Total cost of an NTC3 'Race Ready': 625.92 US$
Total cost of an MTX3 'Race Ready': 621.97 US$
Don't think for more than 1/1000th of a second: Yeah, a mugen fanatic... Have the two cars, and I accumulated more than 200 hours of running time into an NTC3 car and I know perfectly of what I'm talking.
With a Mugen you've a steady car to race on a National event (see the cars that raced Kenji Osaka, Robbie Collins and Tim Long at the Winternats: Purely stock without bells & wistles), talk to Barry about racing the NTC3 as goes purely out of the box.
You haven't seen ever an MTX3 nor haven't stayed near of one by the fact you state that is needed to save for hop-ups on the MTX3. Do you know why about the boom of hop-ups for the MTX3 you'll see? ONLY EYE CANDY.
MTX3 isn't just a car for newbies by the fact that the manual isn't very much informative, but enough for everyone that has a grasp on how to assemble a car looking at the diagrams and don't need help doing setups of a car (BTW: The stock setup of the MTX3 is almost perfect for all around, how is the stock setup of the NTC3? let me tell you: Needs a lot of improvement. Easy to drive, not good on the laps).
And in fact, if you see we don't spend on Carbon Fiber, titanium nor other 'noble materials', we spend on Aluminium to make most of the cars up to the legal weight (how much you may need to spend to have a 1720 grams NTC3 as the MTX3 I aligned at the last race? let me tell you: Many dollars on lightweight transmission parts, CF radio tray, Aluminium screw set and much more).
Next time you'll do a comparation, please get well informed.