Serpent 720
#2881
Tech Fanatic
#2882
Tech Fanatic
no quite so both differ from the stock blocks
These new blocks have 1mm more offset compared to the standard versions, which gives the car a more smooth steering style. The 0-degree blocks work well on medium traction surfaces while the 1-degree blocks work better on low to medium level traction surfaces. However if you swap the left and right 1-degree blocks, the car will then work better in high grip tracks, actually reducing the effects of grip roll, while at the same time giving the car smoother, more consistent, cornering.
#2883
Correct Cartman.
The 0 and 1 degree refer to the kingpin angle. This means if you were to draw a line throught the pillow balls in the steering knuckles you'd see the line lean slightly inward in the 1 degree blocks and be straight up in the 0 degree blocks.
More kingpin angle gives an effect similar to running more caster. It makes the wheel lean when it is steered.
The 0 degree blocks give slightly smoother cornering. The effect is most noticable in sharper corners, where the 1 degree blocks will make the car hook a bit more mid corner. I like that response but in high grip it may make the car more prone to traction roll.
The 0 and 1 degree refer to the kingpin angle. This means if you were to draw a line throught the pillow balls in the steering knuckles you'd see the line lean slightly inward in the 1 degree blocks and be straight up in the 0 degree blocks.
More kingpin angle gives an effect similar to running more caster. It makes the wheel lean when it is steered.
The 0 degree blocks give slightly smoother cornering. The effect is most noticable in sharper corners, where the 1 degree blocks will make the car hook a bit more mid corner. I like that response but in high grip it may make the car more prone to traction roll.
#2884
#2885
Steering block advice
I recently swapped the 0 deg steering blocks on my car and I've noticed that the bottom of the block strikes the lower arm when turned to about 25 - 30 deg. on a 199 mm front track width. Is this what its designed to do to promote understeer ? Can this be remedied by flipping the blocks ( right to left ) and if flipped, what can be the potential result on how the car would steer ?
#2886
Shave your arms just a bit to make clearance for the knuckles
#2887
I recently swapped the 0 deg steering blocks on my car and I've noticed that the bottom of the block strikes the lower arm when turned to about 25 - 30 deg. on a 199 mm front track width. Is this what its designed to do to promote understeer ? Can this be remedied by flipping the blocks ( right to left ) and if flipped, what can be the potential result on how the car would steer ?
Swapping the 0 degree blocks left and right will do nothing as the kingpin angle is 0. Swapping the 1 degre blocks left and right will change the handling of the car. The exact results vary a bit from track to track though.
Easiest solution for your binding problem is cutting a little of the arm.
#2888
Testing
Interesting. I have had no binding isuues. What rims are you using. I could see problems if you use rims that have more offset and you'd need to screw the balls in further to achieve the correct width.
Swapping the 0 degree blocks left and right will do nothing as the kingpin angle is 0. Swapping the 1 degre blocks left and right will change the handling of the car. The exact results vary a bit from track to track though.
Easiest solution for your binding problem is cutting a little of the arm.
Swapping the 0 degree blocks left and right will do nothing as the kingpin angle is 0. Swapping the 1 degre blocks left and right will change the handling of the car. The exact results vary a bit from track to track though.
Easiest solution for your binding problem is cutting a little of the arm.
The next question I have is the overall balance of the car. Unlike Kyoshos, Mugens etc. with my serpent I have to run yellows in the rear and blues sometimes purple in front to cure the oversteer tendencies the car has, am I doing something wrong?
#2889
Tech Elite
I tested the blocks today, I first tested the 0 degree then the 1 degree. I noticed that the 1 degree has more under steer. I never actually tested with the blocks swapped. Anyone tried this yet if so what effect does it have.
The next question I have is the overall balance of the car. Unlike Kyoshos, Mugens etc. with my serpent I have to run yellows in the rear and blues sometimes purple in front to cure the oversteer tendencies the car has, am I doing something wrong?
The next question I have is the overall balance of the car. Unlike Kyoshos, Mugens etc. with my serpent I have to run yellows in the rear and blues sometimes purple in front to cure the oversteer tendencies the car has, am I doing something wrong?
Get with me any time if you want. I will be at the next race on Sun at the Port.
#2890
Tech Regular
iTrader: (1)
Interesting. I have had no binding isuues. What rims are you using. I could see problems if you use rims that have more offset and you'd need to screw the balls in further to achieve the correct width.
Swapping the 0 degree blocks left and right will do nothing as the kingpin angle is 0. Swapping the 1 degre blocks left and right will change the handling of the car. The exact results vary a bit from track to track though.
Easiest solution for your binding problem is cutting a little of the arm.
Swapping the 0 degree blocks left and right will do nothing as the kingpin angle is 0. Swapping the 1 degre blocks left and right will change the handling of the car. The exact results vary a bit from track to track though.
Easiest solution for your binding problem is cutting a little of the arm.
#2891
Tino , Did you try the Setup I gave You? If So , How did it work for you?
#2892
Yow
I did, it was good however I did not have alot of traction (The track hadn't been ran in a while). I do think it has great potential as a setup for a front diff.
DJ. Thanks again for the support and I'll try to make it this weekend, but we'll see. The problem I encountered while drivng with Robert is the corner speed in that the Kyosho seeminly sustained more cornering speeds than the 720. I then switched to the 1 degree blocks same a litte better but still had a mid corner push. I'll be honest though I didn't try the blocks inverted.
#2893
Tech Elite
Mark,
I did, it was good however I did not have alot of traction (The track hadn't been ran in a while). I do think it has great potential as a setup for a front diff.
DJ. Thanks again for the support and I'll try to make it this weekend, but we'll see. The problem I encountered while drivng with Robert is the corner speed in that the Kyosho seeminly sustained more cornering speeds than the 720. I then switched to the 1 degree blocks same a litte better but still had a mid corner push. I'll be honest though I didn't try the blocks inverted.
I did, it was good however I did not have alot of traction (The track hadn't been ran in a while). I do think it has great potential as a setup for a front diff.
DJ. Thanks again for the support and I'll try to make it this weekend, but we'll see. The problem I encountered while drivng with Robert is the corner speed in that the Kyosho seeminly sustained more cornering speeds than the 720. I then switched to the 1 degree blocks same a litte better but still had a mid corner push. I'll be honest though I didn't try the blocks inverted.
The different steering blocks are more for fine tuning. They are not going to be the one thing that give you the mid corner speed you are looking for. You need to raise the rear roll center, add some caster and maybe less camber gain will help. Guestion, are you talking about low speed corners or high speed corners, sweeper type turns.
DJ Apolaro
#2894
The different steering blocks are more for fine tuning. They are not going to be the one thing that give you the mid corner speed you are looking for. You need to raise the rear roll center, add some caster and maybe less camber gain will help. Guestion, are you talking about low speed corners or high speed corners, sweeper type turns.
DJ Apolaro
DJ Apolaro
Sweeping turns........ I was at Go racing though most of the corners are slow so not realy sure.
#2895
Tech Elite
Could try 10,000 harder diff oil. More caster and do not flip the blocks that will not help. Also could stiffen the rear sway bar.
1. stiffer rear sway bar
2. less front travel on droop (ex. go from 0 to +1)
3. heavier diff oil
4. red rear springs up one from the bottom.
5. raise rear roll center
6. more caster
You can try more but this is a start. Based on your set up try it in this order. If you have time do one thing at a time.
Regards and good luck.
DJ Apolaro