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Old 01-19-2007, 02:03 PM   #901
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Clutch bell is the same along with the shoes, springs and flywheel, depending of course on set up for a particular track and driving style.
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Old 01-19-2007, 10:58 PM   #902
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well iv been to my local track today with the new long mugen blue/ grey full sets of springs and had some funny results ,

buggy as is , kit short gray on the front{45w oil losi , short blue on the rear 30w oil ae , buggys hooked no over steer out of corners , and easy to line up for jumps ,

so now out come the new long blue rears , on they go with less clips checks ride height , tons of over steer and hard to line up for jumps , so i checked ride height , that was fine ,

then tryed the grey long , this made more over steer , and buggy looked drunk coming out of turns ,

i know that a harder rear spring gives more steering . but iv still got the short blue on the rear and shes hooked ,

any one else tested the new springs ,

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well iv been to my local track today with the new long mugen blue/ grey full sets of springs and had some funny results ,

buggy as is , kit short gray on the front{45w oil losi , short blue on the rear 30w oil ae , buggys hooked no over steer out of corners , and easy to line up for jumps ,

so now out come the new long blue rears , on they go with less clips checks ride height , tons of over steer and hard to line up for jumps , so i checked ride height , that was fine ,

then tryed the grey long , this made more over steer , and buggy looked drunk coming out of turns ,

i know that a harder rear spring gives more steering . but iv still got the short blue on the rear and shes hooked ,

any one else tested the new springs ,

mike .
You don't say if you ran the new front springs too ?? If you didn't i guess thats where the problem lie's ??

If you did i can only guess that the new springs are slightly harder than the old ones ??

My grays should be with me within the next 5days or so (international ordering ) So i can try them out for myself then .....
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Old 01-20-2007, 04:09 PM   #904
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hi ,

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yes your right i did not have the new long on the front , because a shorter front spring i like as it will quicken steering , it was if the rear spring was falling over mid corner and over steer came in , it may be the longer spring takes longer to work {stuff up} and was falling over in the corner , as the old short blue was far better balanced ,


let me know how you go when you test the new springs but if your on grass you going to need more weight over the front so they may work fine for you in the u.k ,

as most of the tracks in oz are clay ,

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i have no experience with different setting on the steering ackerman, could someone please explain to me what the difference in handling would ensue from changing the hole for the camber link on the ackerman. thanks guys
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hi , there .

if you move it forward , towards the front of the car it will have a calm feeling , back will make it less calm ,


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Personally, I'd match the springs front to rear (spring length that is). Then you need to run the new springs for a bit to break them in. On the old MBX5 buggy a set of new Mugen springs feel horrible until they've been ran for a bit. That's why I always kept my old used springs and sold the new springs when I bought a new kit.
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Old 01-22-2007, 11:46 AM   #908
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wat i know is tt the pros in japan will break-in the new springs by the pulling them and letting go afew times.

can't rem how long to pull the springs tho... i rem it was to a certain length.
this is wat my LHS told me anyway.
(he pretty much keep in touch with Kenji Osaka via email regarding setups and all).

i've yet to try the new long springs, will rcv them tis weekend.
thn again, it's more like i've yet to try out the new 5R haha!
wonder how it'll compare to my old prospec...

just wondering, wat difference if i were to use old springs wif lotsa preload and new springs with less preload??
suspension more reactive? better rebound and damping?
handlingwise?
thanks all!
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Does anyone have an editable version of the MBX5R setup sheet?
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Does anyone have an editable version of the MBX5R setup sheet?

Sure...LOL...just do it in pencil.
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Sure...LOL...just do it in pencil.
LOL but the real thing would be very nice
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I keep all of my setup sheets on file on my laptop. You'd be surprised how many times I've referred back to setups from the past.
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I had made the MBX5 setup sheet editable using the Excel program from Microsoft and it turned out great, just click in a box and type, and then the MBX5R came out and I switched. I may try and do the R setup sheet with that same program and host it somewhere so that others can link to it, fill it out and then print it.
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I keep all of my setup sheets on file on my laptop. You'd be surprised how many times I've referred back to setups from the past.
Yeah, yeah...blah...blah...blah...that's probably why you win and stuff. Well...there's that, driving ability and practice.

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Hi all,

Was wondering if i could get some help with setting up my MBX5R. Its got a LOT of over steer coming out of tight corners and it wants to hook in the rear over bumps and is just really hard to drive smooth.

What are your thoughts Ryan ? Any help is greatly appreacated.

Here is my current setup that is the best i have got it to go so far.

FRONT END
Shock oil- 400wt
Pistons- 1.5
Springs- Stock Grey
Shock position- 2nd hole form inside on tower, inside on arm
Ride height- Arms level (12mm of black clips)
Ackerman- back hole
Track width- 275mm
Front lower arm- 2mm spacer in rear
Camber- -2degrees
Toe out- -0.5 degrees per side
Castor- all spacers in front of top upper arm ( MAX castor)
Upper arm hinge pin- low insert on tower, lower block in rear.
Diff- 5000wt
Front swaybar- 2.4mm

CENTER
Diff- 5000wt
Gearing- 13/46
Clutch- aluminum, 1.0 springs
Brakes- Stock

REAR END
Shock oil- 350wt
Pistons- 1.5
Springs- Stock Grey
Shock position- Second from outside on tower, inside on arm
Ride height- Arms level (14mm of black clips)
Rear hubs- all spacers in front, Hub up high with hinge pin.
Camber- -3 degrees
Toe block- -3
Antisquat- middle insert (2 degrees)
Diff- 3000wt
Rear swaybar- 2.6mm
Camber rod- Middle inside on tower, Lower inside on hub.

I just cant get any rear traction. ?????? The box stock setup was really really bad. This setup has given me the most rear traction i have ever managed to get but its still loose in the rear and very twitchy on the steering.

Thanks for any help guys.
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