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Old 11-04-2012, 06:20 PM   #1
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I have a few electrics. I am thinking about nitro. used to do it back in 97. I traveled a lot so elect was ok. now not traveling to much so i thought I would go nitro. what 1/8 th scale and motor would any of or all of you suggest. Thanks in advance
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see what brand parts your lhs(s) stock and what most racers are running. for example, if you go buy a kit that a few other guys at your local track have, you can get setup help and suggestions whereas if you buy a kit that nobody runs, your on your own about setup and if you have problems or something theres nobody who can help you.

for engines, novarossi or os are good. nova p5 would probably be your best choice because its cheap and a great engine.
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see what brand parts your lhs(s) stock and what most racers are running. for example, if you go buy a kit that a few other guys at your local track have, you can get setup help and suggestions whereas if you buy a kit that nobody runs, your on your own about setup and if you have problems or something theres nobody who can help you.

for engines, novarossi or os are good. nova p5 would probably be your best choice because its cheap and a great engine.
Good suggestion chopper82p! Maybe you could shed some light on what kit is good to have early next year.. There are up and coming updated versions after the worlds, so which one you think is really the best one if you were to buy a new one? Our track here has many Mugens, Serpents, HBs, Agamas, xrays and H9s... Which of the mentioned above or is there any better kits that you have in mind....
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Good suggestion chopper82p! Maybe you could shed some light on what kit is good to have early next year.. There are up and coming updated versions after the worlds, so which one you think is really the best one if you were to buy a new one? Our track here has many Mugens, Serpents, HBs, Agamas, xrays and H9s... Which of the mentioned above or is there any better kits that you have in mind....
if a mugen mbx7 comes out, probably that. I run mugen now and am very happy with it. very durable and very high quality. i dont have much experience with other kits except losi, and I like mugen a lot better than my old losi. Losi may be coming out with a 3.0 though so maybe that will be better but i think the mugen is gonna be pretty good.
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if a mugen mbx7 comes out, probably that. I run mugen now and am very happy with it. very durable and very high quality. i dont have much experience with other kits except losi, and I like mugen a lot better than my old losi. Losi may be coming out with a 3.0 though so maybe that will be better but i think the mugen is gonna be pretty good.
thanks for the ideas.. here in Oregon.. Bend is my closest hobby store. I have been buying a-main parts. Dee's in bend and Dave the owner is nice.. the store doesn't have what your talking about and doesn't carry much in way of parts. I like my losi 8 E 2.0 but I am really bad on electrics. I like to go fast and mugen might be it. when do you think new models are coming out ? I think it would be worth the wait i'm in no hurry,
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Also look into the Team C t8. I run it and love it.
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thanks for the ideas.. here in Oregon.. Bend is my closest hobby store. I have been buying a-main parts. Dee's in bend and Dave the owner is nice.. the store doesn't have what your talking about and doesn't carry much in way of parts. I like my losi 8 E 2.0 but I am really bad on electrics. I like to go fast and mugen might be it. when do you think new models are coming out ? I think it would be worth the wait i'm in no hurry,
rumors are early next year if not december
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I'd get a truggy - something like a Mugen 6T or Serpent Cobra T, with a Novarossi Roma.

If it has to be a buggy, a Mugen MBX6R US Spec.. If you're just getting back into it, don't let all the obsessive hype for whatever's new affect your decision.. You don't need the newest and shiniest...

There are tons and tons of options. Just for buggy engines, there are 25+ excellent choices - from Alpha to Novarossi to OS to Werks and on and on...
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The Xray XB9 seems to be one of the better cars out right now. Xray is renowned for it's durability and long lasting parts. You really don't need much for spares and eliminates the need to have an LHS that stocks everything.
You won't find an Xray part on the shelf anywhere near this area, but you see plenty of the cars on the track and winning.

It's a solid car that handles great and will last a long time.

Engine wise, stick with major name brands and you'll be ok. My personal preference is Novarossi and OS engines. I've tried some of the cheaper brands and I went back to paying a little more for a reason.
You can get a great Novarossi engine that makes great power and run time for close to $200. Look at Fusion X as well, they are made by Novarossi.
OS XZB is a great one
Bullitt is made by OS
Mugen Ninja is also an OS and excellent performing motor

A lot of the cheaper motors are very enticing when you see them running. They are fast, but they just don't last as long and can be much more difficult to tune. If you want to get into nitro and save yourself some serious frustration, I highly suggest a OS motor. They are widely regarded as the easiest engine to tune out there.
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You won't find an Xray part on the shelf anywhere near this area, but you see plenty of the cars on the track and winning.
I think that's a fair assessment for most 1/8th nitros. Most hobby shops tend to not carry parts for racing vehicles, and if they do carry something it's usually some odd ball part.
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thanks for the ideas.. here in Oregon.. Bend is my closest hobby store. I have been buying a-main parts. Dee's in bend and Dave the owner is nice.. the store doesn't have what your talking about and doesn't carry much in way of parts. I like my losi 8 E 2.0 but I am really bad on electrics. I like to go fast and mugen might be it. when do you think new models are coming out ? I think it would be worth the wait i'm in no hurry,
Yes I would wait until after the worlds. Rumors are new kits from

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and I sure more companies will have updates..
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I would recommend either the Serpent 811 2.0 which was just released or the Xray XB9. Both are very good cars. Durable and handle very well. I have yet to break anything on my serpent. The new 2.0 comes with all the current updates. I have had good luck so far with novarossi motors but there are plenty of good brands out there. Stay away from buying a used motor though.
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Thanks for all the great ideas. keep em coming.!! this will give me some reading to do for the next three months. it will take me that long to save up for it.
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Hey Chuck.....DURANGO!!!!......2 seasons and only one hair line crack on an a-arm and 1 wing mount....hows that for durability?!!!! and if you do need parts, they are very reasonable!!

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I like nitro better but everyone says that they are really hard to work on and that u have to work on them all the time. And everyone says that they are hard to tune right. If I were to get a nitro I would get either the Losi or associated rtr 1/8 buggy. This would be my first nitro car to. But if you do have to work on them all the time then I will get and electric 1/8 buggy. So is all that stuff true about nitros?
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Ok well I race motocross and I'm used to tuning my bikes and stuff so I think that I might be ok.

well the good thing is your about 80% of the way there as far as just being in the thick of it....
for one you race motorcycles! so you already have a general understanding
of just being part of the racing !! and your already used to routine Maintainance......just something has to be done "Nitro or Electric"
but,
to "Un-Quote" a bad quote....

Racing in General It's far more exhilerating and rewarding than "Nothing" could ever be.

that being said electric or Nitro is great !!!....

but nowdays if i had to start all over again?
i myself though driving another Car altogether ,i would get the Losi Ready to Run......
simple well laid out the stock set up is well suited for a great deal of track conditions....
starter box and related items are "Already Included" !!!
just need a battery for starter box and Transmitter,which is a Spektrum !!!
and the Motor is a good one for starting out !!!
and Motor tunning is not as bad as one might think?
just follow the Instructions (No one ever reads them!!)

and once broken in "Morph" made a good point...
true dont tune your motor from the Idle Screw !!! 99.99999999% of people
that got overwhelmed and frustrated usually did this !!!
i do motor Mods, and have seen "Hundreds of Motors Set Baddly"
when there sent in ..!!
or they got a "Realy bad Motor" it does happen once in a blue moon ....
but the Losi Motor set up on the motor is "Pretty darn Close"
but if they ever fall out of Adjustments:

set the Idle gap low !! bout .5 to .6 mm put it this way it's "Less" than the thickness of a ATM card etc.
set low end so motor will idle for at least 30 seconds untill it loads up and stalls, your High end needle will probally be pretty close most motors
are pretty close maybe a click or 2 on tops or Bottoms....


on the flip side for Electrics, yes they are easy
however "Eivind" makes a good point.......
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45 minute mains or 8 minutes of premature discharge, which do you prefer?
most electric races are around 8 to 10 minutes....true....
upside you "Plug and Play"
down side you "Charge and Wait" and not a bad thing?
but in most cases you will need to wait "Anyways"
most Brussless buggy motors need to be run kind of cool...
dont want to run them over 150 degrees for an extended amount of time...
the Resin Coating of the wires will start to melt away untill
they will at some point "Short Out"
so kind of something to also consider, they can if kept with enough
air flow running at 20 to 30 minutes but they dont last as long....
because there air cooled there is no way to regulate the cooling of the motor
for a "Constant"
if bashing, just running around most will have set there ESC's so they can
run on a 6S pack for Electrics "Voltage is your Friend" !!!
but 99.999999999% run 4S for "Racing" and is usually what is Only allowed
in most racing situations....club racing i dont think most mind?
but Sanctioned racing your only allowed 4S packs....
and if going electric? get a 1500 or a 1700kv type motors
anything more just "OverKill" and you'll be doing allot of head scratching
wondering why your car is not hooking up?
be like putting a TT500 motor in a 125? with a bad Clutch racing on Asphalt
with Oil on the road......

for the Nitro's

Nitro's on that part use the Fuel as part of the Cooling agent, with the Airflow
so they can once tuned "Correctly" run untill the Reciever pack gets "Low"
(yes more Charging ...LOL but it doenst take as long)
and on "Average" you can get about an Hour of run time for a reciever pack?
i get about an hour and a half roughly with a pair of 7954 Hitech's !!!!
in truggy !!!!!
an "Average Nitro Motor" will stay constant at 230 to 250 and run all day
at the Motors "Given" temps........"When Tuned Correctly"

but good and an "Offsets" for both.....
there is No bad or worse for Either.......just a matter of what your
"Personal likes" might be.......
i like both and race both.....both have there advantages....both have there
"Minus"......but BOTH have that Racing Apeal !!!!!!!!!
Clutches on one...battery charging and waiting on another?

few packs charged? can run most of the day with little down time?
few minutes between packs and a fan to help cool down......

Clutch set like the Manufacture Recommends or what most will be using
for a "Given Track" or it's Conditions? then little will need to be done..
nothing more than Routine Maintainance like one might do for there
real Car or racing Motorcycle...etc.
(I am assuming no one treats there real cars like there r/c cars?!?!?!)
not changing there oils air filters lol.........

Oh and TOOLS !!!!!!! be sure to get good QUALITY TOOLS !!!..
i use the Snap-On / Craftsman of R/C tools MIP/Thorp
a little more? but well beyond worth it !!
and another thing, Harbor Freight is going to be your best friend ...

and since you run motorcycles your ahead of the game on filter oils !!
i use UNI like 8 bucks for what is i think almost a Quart?
and MOTUL for like 12.50 for a big One Quart !!
(think 32 ounce Big Gulp)
instead of 6.00 bucks for a teeny-tiny bottle !!!!!! like 1/2 ounce?

and a big help of "Advice" watch for the "Fanboyz"
and be sure to get what you want...!!!
and the real skinny...."All Cars Break" none are Invunerable
everyone will say this one or that one is the best?
but hit something "Right" and even Superman breaks under Kryptonite !! LOL
all cars break,all cars have similar problems....
hit something it's bound to break !! some get "Lucky" some aren't
no such thing as a bad car just bad advice......
but there are over 6 billion people on the planet and all have 6 billion reasons
and 20 billion opinions..........
and "Watch for Modded Motors Off the Bat" i do mod motors as well...
but i dont run them? i run Bone stock Nova's and Bone Stock Maxi's
once your "Never Crashing" and consistant....lap after lap..might wanna get one? even then? i run up against many modded motors, might keep up
on the straight? but in the infield "Where it realy Counts" they get a good look
at my "Bumpers"....

good example? Adam Drake....runs "Bone Stock" Nova Rossi Bonito's
as well many of the other top dogs run "Stock Motors"
"BECAUSE" it doesnt make sence for a Manufacture to sell something a consumer can never get? so they make points in running things
"You Can Buy" ....think about it? what would be the point???
besides? who already knows more about the motors?
Than the Manufactures that Make them !!!
but "good reputation" behind a Motor helps...
(Nova,Picco,Maxi(basicly Nova's),O.S.,RB's etc.)
"New Kids" Arrow Motors,Werks, Orion's and Bullet's are making waves!

but what ever you get? be sure to get a car you can get parts for
where "You Race" nothing worse then breaking that Specific Screw or Bolt
for your car or any related part and the track shop doesnt have
"Any of the Parts For your Car"...!!!!
same for the Motor no point to have a Motor so far modded and Exotic
that if you need to replace something the shop may not have the parts??
dont get me wrong the Mottor modder guys are great !!!
just start off "Correctly" and Slowly........you wont regret it.....


hopefully some of this will be of some assistance
let everyone know how it works out for you ..!!!
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