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Old 10-10-2012, 03:25 PM   #286
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You know nothing. Im not a specialist.. but I can help you a little.Let me explain. If you go to a country with a box full of new items, lets call them tires.... you are importing tires.... So you must pay import taxes if you want to get into the country with tires.


If you make the things the right way, you will have the documentation with you and the customs will do their job without any stange request and you will pay based in the documentation. . It is just luck to go throw the customs without showing any documentation, because the control is not 100%.... but if they find somebody carrying lots of new stuf... they will reinforce the controls for that flight.

If you have nothing about the items you are carrying (invoices, or other documentation)... customs office will act and they will request to pay and you will have to contact a local customs broker to get the merchandise in the country, and dont think that saying... hey.. Im a pro RC driver they will say... ooohhh... please sign my shirt !!! Nobody except of us knows about this hobbie like a competition.. so nobody cares if you are going to be part of a world champinship ship.It is not so easy to import things into a country, many restrictions apply for this kind of activity, and I will suffer the same if I go to USA with a lot of new stuffs. (Maybe yhe customs officers will call your Marines... Rambo and who knows, maybe Gi Joe)

So, before saying that my country is like any other, please, take a few minutes and read, learn something and then you can post something with some kind of criteria.

All the people of the hobbie take care of the drivers, and all the people will do their best to avoid anything to happen again in December, everything will be ok.... but it is not possible to avoid somebody like you to post fast and stupid conclusions.

So please, go to your favorite couch, put CNN, take care about middle east invented wars meanwhile the bank execute your mortgage, continue talking without sense and after that.. maybe you can say something about southamerica.

no specialist either but if you paying import tax.. then issuing a receipt is the norm.. and only accepting in cash is not


according Mr King Report they did not want to issue a receipt.. so to me thats just utter corruption... not sure what you think...
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no specialist either but if you paying import tax.. then issuing a receipt is the norm.. and only accepting in cash is not


according Mr King Report they did not want to issue a receipt.. so to me thats just utter corruption... not sure what you think...
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You know nothing. Im not a specialist.. but I can help you a little.Let me explain. If you go to a country with a box full of new items, lets call them tires.... you are importing tires.... So you must pay import taxes if you want to get into the country with tires.

If you make the things the right way, you will have the documentation with you and the customs will do their job without any stange request and you will pay based in the documentation. . It is just luck to go throw the customs without showing any documentation, because the control is not 100%.... but if they find somebody carrying lots of new stuf... they will reinforce the controls for that flight.

If you have nothing about the items you are carrying (invoices, or other documentation)... customs office will act and they will request to pay and you will have to contact a local customs broker to get the merchandise in the country, and dont think that saying... hey.. Im a pro RC driver they will say... ooohhh... please sign my shirt !!! Nobody except of us knows about this hobbie like a competition.. so nobody cares if you are going to be part of a world champinship ship.It is not so easy to import things into a country, many restrictions apply for this kind of activity, and I will suffer the same if I go to USA with a lot of new stuffs. (Maybe yhe customs officers will call your Marines... Rambo and who knows, maybe Gi Joe)

So, before saying that my country is like any other, please, take a few minutes and read, learn something and then you can post something with some kind of criteria.

All the people of the hobbie take care of the drivers, and all the people will do their best to avoid anything to happen again in December, everything will be ok.... but it is not possible to avoid somebody like you to post fast and stupid conclusions.

So please, go to your favorite couch, put CNN, take care about middle east invented wars meanwhile the bank execute your mortgage, continue talking without sense and after that.. maybe you can say something about southamerica.
Most of us had documentation and invoices with costs and they stated these items were not for sale. The customs agents couldn't care less. I was there. I'm not talking about what I heard. Not once did they go through my bags. They had no idea what was inside. There is no system in place at all.
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Most of us had documentation and invoices with costs and they stated these items were not for sale. The customs agents couldn't care less. I was there. I'm not talking about what I heard. Not once did they go through my bags. They had no idea what was inside. There is no system in place at all.
Come World's time, I bet those customs agents are going to be in a real feeding frenzy. I bet the fees will be even higher.
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Ya'll S. Americans ain't convincing me. Sounds like crooked customs officials to me. CASH! No reciept! Yet ya'll bury your head in the sand and allow it to happen. I'm sure it's a great place to live.....

Still haven't heard one local sound upset by this. Just attack us for being pissed about it and comparing it to Albania auto sales.

It's not like toy car tires are a hot commodity or anything. Heaven forbid if someone has a bottle of Sticky Kicks!

My comment about traveling with 100 Marines was a tongue in cheek sarcastic response that i use for nearly any odd ball country . (it's ok if that bugs you) Your comment about flying into buildings is offensive and a very, very personal attack on everyone in the US. (So don't talk like that next time you're in the States. K?)

Flying is a PITA allready. How in the world can "Stop and give us money." Not give a nation a stinky rep? That's like having a guy stand at the "Welcome to Florida" rest station on I-75 threatening to break peoples kneecaps if the don't pay a happiness tax for being too smiley.
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Ya'll S. Americans ain't convincing me. Sounds like crooked customs officials to me. CASH! No reciept! Yet ya'll bury your head in the sand and allow it to happen. I'm sure it's a great place to live.....

Still haven't heard one local sound upset by this. Just attack us for being pissed about it and comparing it to Albania auto sales.

It's not like toy car tires are a hot commodity or anything. Heaven forbid if someone has a bottle of Sticky Kicks!

My comment about traveling with 100 Marines was a tongue in cheek sarcastic response that i use for nearly any odd ball country . (it's ok if that bugs you) Your comment about flying into buildings is offensive and a very, very personal attack on everyone in the US. (So don't talk like that next time you're in the States. K?)

Flying is a PITA allready. How in the world can "Stop and give us money." Not give a nation a stinky rep? That's like having a guy stand at the "Welcome to Florida" rest station on I-75 threatening to break peoples kneecaps if the don't pay a happiness tax for being too smiley.
You cop that sort of treatment in alot of countries, fly into Bali from Aus with more than 3 surfboards you get hammered and yes must pay cash and no receipt but fly into Jakarta then domestic to Bali you can take in as may as you want, go figure. Some country have there ways and if you want to enter there country you have to deal with it. Do your homework and you will find in just about every case you can get around it one way or another.
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This thread is about the worlds race, leave it to you guys to turn it into some pissing contest. Congratulations for ruining another thread.
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Old 10-11-2012, 12:00 AM   #293
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i was not going to post in this thread because i saw where it was going but i think ill do a hit and run this morning

it always amazes me how little people from the so called first world know about the workings of the rest of the world i always like to compare it to a "wet behind the ears" rich person usually not being "street smart".
How does the saying go?

death and taxes right?

Well i dont know if it was shortsightedness from the teams or selected people or your IFMAR or what....but in the rest of the world...when you have sh*tloads of things in your suitcase that looks like commercial goods in packaging etc, and Customs officials dont know you are coming, dont give a sh8T about a toy car race, and you dont declare that stuff..and you get called out in the line...you better expect to pay lots of "wonderfull" VAT (which is 14% in out country btw) and whatever duties they see fit. They have a database of goods and yes...they have to make a decision on the spot what you have with you so it could be subjective..especially if you dont have the proof of purchase with you. Currupt too? yes offcourse...but thats the law of the land and a part of ALL government departments of any government of any country...if you are ignorant to this fact you are just that lol. it sucks but thats the way the world and people work...even yours. Dog eat dog right?
How you react or prepare for these circumstances is how you avoid unwanted situations.
Even the guys from our country going to the worlds know this. Corruption by officials is an everyday occurrence here .
they are only taking built cars, opened goods etc and they buy the rest there. If it looks like you can sell it in a shop...you better be prepared to pay tax or try and sneek it in up your bum or something I have to pay that premium every single time i order stuff of amain hobbies too, luckily the content is decalred..a market value is attached by amain and so a "dirty" customs official can levy they right amount of duties and VAT lol.

IMO it is no one else's fault but the people who organise the event. How do you think DHL hauls 24 formula 1 cars and tons of gear, merchandise and spares around the globe every two weeks?...and the world championship goes to ALOT of so called third world countries...even Argentina in the past. they make sure the right people know they are coming...thats how. Hell, ive even seen it on that silly TV show called " "border security" about the Australian customs....EVERY SINGLe TIME...it is the same everywhere, some people are just ignorant to it. Do you think a custom official cares about a toy car race he does not know jack about?...and in the case of some of the sponsored pros, you have enough tyres and spares in you pit bag to open a small hobby shop?
if you've gone anywhere in the world and decided to buy a camera or ipad or whatever because it was cheaper in a different currency there and went back home and conveniently forgot to declare your purchases at customs you are almost guilty of the same thing lol

please dont hate me, just sharing my experiences and opinion.
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P.S....a quick goggle yielded this:

Entrance Regulations
All travelers entering Argentina must fill out a customs declaration form. The country has different rules for different travelers: citizens and residents entering Argentina from a bordering country after less than a year away may bring in used personal items, including household goods, and up to $100 worth of cigarettes, cigars, alcohol and food. Argentine citizens or residents returning from any other country, as well as visitors from non-bordering countries, are allowed to bring in $300 worth of the same items. Visitors traveling with pets must have a veterinary certificate of good health provided by an Argentine consulate. New items and gifts are subject to heavy taxation. Amounts of cash totaling more than $10,000 must be declared. Prohibited items include narcotics, explosives, unauthorized firearms, anything intended for commercial or industrial use, anything banned for public, animal and plant health reasons, and anything that's not personal luggage.

Departure Regulations
Travelers leaving Argentina by air, land or sea cannot carry more than $10,000 or its equivalent in cash, checks or traveler's checks, unless this has been previously authorized by the proper agency. In addition, travelers who carry items from a third country, meaning items from a country other than Argentina or the traveler's native country, should declare those items to customs in order to avoid taxation. Items prohibited from leaving Argentina in a traveler's possession include any items that aren't personal luggage, narcotics, unauthorized firearms, explosives and anything banned for public, animal and plant health reasons (such as seeds and animals).

Customs Taxation
Travelers who don't declare goods that they must declare are subject to taxation on the goods, as well as a fine for neglecting to make the declaration. Moreover, customs agents have the right to confiscate undeclared items. Travelers entering with brand-new items, such as an unused laptop, should carry the receipt to show to a customs agent. Otherwise, the agent will impose a "unique tax" on the computer, based on what he thinks it's worth, which could be much more than its actual value. The unique tax rate is 50% above the exempted rate for a specific item. Travelers can pay customs taxes by making a deposit at the Argentine National Bank or by paying the customs office via cash or debit or credit card.

just reading all those would inform me to take extra special care, make 100 extra phone calls etc etc....all that was done seems within the rules of their country and alot of them, quite obvious ones, have room for some exploitation by the odd individual.
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...only thing certain.

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....but in the rest of the world...
Rest of the world? That's funny, because there are international races all year long with teams and racers traveling to and from. I am sure there are customs problems too, but doesn't seem like anything on this scale?

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...so called first world... ...so called third world countries...
I thought it was derogatory to use those terms... and if not, I wouldn't think Argentina is really a "third world".

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How do you think DHL hauls 24 formula 1 cars and tons of gear, merchandise and spares around the globe every two weeks?
...because DHL was the 'original' international courier? It's what they do for a living.

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IMO it is no one else's fault but the people who organise the event.
I 100% agree with you. At the very LEAST they should have done proper research and notified teams/drivers or made advisories. If IFMAR chooses to only have races at more popular destinations from here onward, then no one should complain....
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I thought it was derogatory to use those terms... and if not, I wouldn't think Argentina is a "third world" in the least bit.
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...because DHL was the 'original' international courier? It's what they do for a living.
sortoff meant as sarcasm i guess...i also live in a so called "third world" country...as labeled by the first world lol

P.S..sorry, just saw we got "upgraded" haha, now atleast i live in a "first world country" with third world problems lol

and, what i meant about DHL was that they also have to get through customs every time. actually watched a documentary pre-race about a month ago about how they organise 2 or 3 races in advance to make sure they dont get stuck at customs each time..organised people those are lol
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Travelers entering with brand-new items, such as an unused laptop, should carry the receipt to show to a customs agent. Otherwise, the agent will impose a "unique tax" on the computer, based on what he thinks it's worth, which could be much more than its actual value.
That clause kind of sounds like a tyrannical system with customs having sovereignty to do whatever they want.... Will have to do comparisons tomorrow against other countries.
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That clause kind of sounds like a tyrannical system with customs having sovereignty to do whatever they want.... Will have to do comparisons tomorrow against other countries.
international airports have always fascinated me just because of this ^. they seem to be totally emncipated from the countires they reside in and they are almost a no mans land, seperate countires with their own unique laws
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Travelers entering with brand-new items, s....a "unique tax" on the computer, based on what he thinks it's worth
So basicly if you had taken every set of tyres, ran them for one lap, they would then have been second hand tyres and you'd have no problem bringing them within those rules.

They should take notice ahead of the worlds
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So basicly if you had taken every set of tyres, ran them for one lap, they would then have been second hand tyres and you'd have no problem bringing them within those rules.

They should take notice ahead of the worlds
jip they probably should bend the rules in their favour...or just not clean their gear before they travel haha
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