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Old 03-27-2012, 08:44 AM   #16
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Cool Not about durability

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I thought this was about the shocks, we all know kyosho overall is more durable than AE.
While it is true the thread is on the quality of the shocks i'd ask anyone to visit the mp-9 or rc8.2 threads...may not like what you find on issues of breakages...or may one just might like spending 900 on a car that is not the most durable...there is one out there that is the overall most durable but that will open up too much debate...

Ty ran the Kyosho shocks more for the length (the geometry of the LP2 arms and the SNR towers) more than anything else.
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The only time you really ever see people run different manufacturers shocks is to test different lengths.
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Old 03-27-2012, 02:04 PM   #18
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World championships won by Kyosho
1987 2wd 1/10
1992 4wd 1/8
1994 4wd 1/8
1996 4wd 1/8
1998 4wd 1/8
2000 4wd 1/8
2002 4wd 1/8
2003 1/8 onroad
2004 1/10 onroad
2005 1/8 onroad
2006 4wd 1/8
2007 1/8 onroad
2008 1/10 onroad
2009 1/8 onroad
2010 4wd 1/8

speaks volumes for kyosho, Kyosho race kits are pure performance and meant for drivers or the ones that accept that to be a race chassis there is compromises that need to happen, do not buy a kyosho to bash or if you are new to the hobby, you will be disappointed, buy one after some experience and you will understand it. You won't buy a Ferrari enzo as a daily driver and complain about how rough it rides and how expensive it is to maintain or how crappy the rims are after you hit a pot hole....
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World championships won by Kyosho
1987 2wd 1/10
1992 4wd 1/8
1994 4wd 1/8
1996 4wd 1/8
1998 4wd 1/8
2000 4wd 1/8
2002 4wd 1/8
2003 1/8 onroad
2004 1/10 onroad
2005 1/8 onroad
2006 4wd 1/8
2007 1/8 onroad
2008 1/10 onroad
2009 1/8 onroad
2010 4wd 1/8

speaks volumes for kyosho, Kyosho race kits are pure performance and meant for drivers or the ones that accept that to be a race chassis there is compromises that need to happen, do not buy a kyosho to bash or if you are new to the hobby, you will be disappointed, buy one after some experience and you will understand it. You won't buy a Ferrari enzo as a daily driver and complain about how rough it rides and how expensive it is to maintain or how crappy the rims are after you hit a pot hole....
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World championships won by Kyosho
1987 2wd 1/10
1992 4wd 1/8
1994 4wd 1/8
1996 4wd 1/8
1998 4wd 1/8
2000 4wd 1/8
2002 4wd 1/8
2003 1/8 onroad
2004 1/10 onroad
2005 1/8 onroad
2006 4wd 1/8
2007 1/8 onroad
2008 1/10 onroad
2009 1/8 onroad
2010 4wd 1/8

speaks volumes for kyosho, Kyosho race kits are pure performance and meant for drivers or the ones that accept that to be a race chassis there is compromises that need to happen, do not buy a kyosho to bash or if you are new to the hobby, you will be disappointed, buy one after some experience and you will understand it. You won't buy a Ferrari enzo as a daily driver and complain about how rough it rides and how expensive it is to maintain or how crappy the rims are after you hit a pot hole....

Yea the AE was looking great til it broke in the 2010 worlds. X-ray would be the Ferrari, Kyosho is then GTR
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Jesus.

This championship argument is worthless. AE ALONE has almost double that. AE and Reedy arguably the same brand, have more than double.

And AE has had vehicles competing in COMPETITIVE categories with more consistency than kyosho. Most of the earlier 1/8 offroad championships for kyosho where mosly running against themselves.

And Im a Losi guy now running Durango
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Old Platinums were pretty awesome but I'm not sure there has been anything all that special about the others since. Their x-rings on the other hand, I love. Still not sure why companies use o-rings given the small surface area they offer compared to the x-rings.
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I think since Kyosho have been around for so much time it has a lot of knowledge on materials and tolerances. I think AE has made a lot of effort to improve it's kit quality they have develop their first 1/8 platform for over 5 years now.
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Jesus.

This championship argument is worthless. AE ALONE has almost double that. AE and Reedy arguably the same brand, have more than double.

And AE has had vehicles competing in COMPETITIVE categories with more consistency than kyosho. Most of the earlier 1/8 offroad championships for kyosho where mosly running against themselves.

And Im a Losi guy now running Durango

OK guys Would you run Thunder Tiger shocks?



B.c. before Thunder Tiger aka Thunder chicken bought out AE they made all of Team Associated parts. It was farmed out to
Taiwanese manufacturer b.c. it was cheaper.

So if you love AE shocks then you LOVE TT shocks.

Is that right? lol
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What a useless argument.

Kyosho is a great product so is AE. I have owned and raced both.
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OK guys Would you run Thunder Tiger shocks?



B.c. before Thunder Tiger aka Thunder chicken bought out AE they made all of Team Associated parts. It was farmed out to
Taiwanese manufacturer b.c. it was cheaper.

So if you love AE shocks then you LOVE TT shocks.

Is that right? lol
Thunder Tiger has produced some nice stuff over the years. The EB4 S3 was an awesome project. The chassis ended up being the limiting factor in the end but the design, execution, and parts quality was top notch.

Finding vehicles that arent made in China is pretty tough now. The AE products, regardless of where they're made, have proven themselves on track more than any manufacturer on earth (and most combined). China will build to whatever spec you give them; if the quality is low, it's because the spec and QC were low on the part of the customer, not the manufacturer.
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OK guys Would you run Thunder Tiger shocks?



B.c. before Thunder Tiger aka Thunder chicken bought out AE they made all of Team Associated parts. It was farmed out to
Taiwanese manufacturer b.c. it was cheaper.

So if you love AE shocks then you LOVE TT shocks.

Is that right? lol
the last race shock made by TTR on the S3 was a really good shock for not being big bore. (came out before the big bore revolution)

On the other hand, if kyosho shocks were so good, why did pavidis use Fironi shock to with the WC?

Its for geometry/length, nothing to do with hand assembled by virgin kyosho products.
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Thunder Tiger has produced some nice stuff over the years. The EB4 S3 was an awesome project. The chassis ended up being the limiting factor in the end but the design, execution, and parts quality was top notch.

Finding vehicles that arent made in China is pretty tough now. The AE products, regardless of where they're made, have proven themselves on track more than any manufacturer on earth (and most combined). China will build to whatever spec you give them; if the quality is low, it's because the spec and QC were low on the part of the customer, not the manufacturer.
Finding vehicles not made in china is easy, since there are a lot of quality buggies out of Taiwan. Pretty much all competive buggies with the exception of Xray are out of Taiwan, The crappy ones like exceed or redcat are made china
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Finding vehicles not made in china is easy, since there are a lot of quality buggies out of Taiwan. Pretty much all competive buggies with the exception of Xray are out of Taiwan, The crappy ones like exceed or redcat are made china
I'm not going to argue the symantics of whether or not Taiwan is part of China.
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