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Old 05-02-2011, 05:36 AM   #1
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I just read on neobouggy that robert battle, was using tire additives at the neo race.

Does anyone know what additives this is ?


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Old 05-03-2011, 12:32 AM   #2
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Could have been a number of things,

There are a lot of stuff racers have tried and used to get better traction. I saw the post you are talking about and they made no mention of what the "additive" was, so it's hard to say for sure.

Ideas might be alone the lines of:

Trinity Buggy grip
Sticky Kicks
Paragone
Zip Grip
Much More ? (I forget what they call theirs)
Deisle fuel
WD-40
Simple green (though I doubt many would consider that a traction additive)

Plus many many more things that "could" be used that I don't remember or not thinking of.
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One person's word for is just as strong or weak as another person's word against... so whether it happened or not is up for discussion.
The EFRA rule in place in 2011 bans what is known as "tyre additivies", however there is no clarification on what a tyre additive actually IS, or how to test for it conclusively rendering the rule useless and ambiguous in it's interpretation. I think this is the weakest area of said rule, even if a driver was recorded during the application process the lack of clarity on what is and what isn't a tyre additive, although this might all be the point..

e.g. Someone walks by a driver's pit area, he's cleaning the lower arms with WD40 and happens to spray a bit on the tyres... is that considered a tyre additive ?

Whilst glueing some people use accelerators to speed up the glue curing process, is that a tyre additive?
In the latter case, the spray is applied evenly to 'a surface' of the tyre, it may not be the contact patch, but sidewalls...

Just like the maximum 25% nitro rule currently in place in Europe, unless there is conclusive method of testing which gives reliable results - not ambiguous readings than you cannot enforce a rule effectively.
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One person's word for is just as strong or weak as another person's word against... so whether it happened or not is up for discussion.
The EFRA rule in place in 2011 bans what is known as "tyre additivies", however there is no clarification on what a tyre additive actually IS, or how to test for it conclusively rendering the rule useless and ambiguous in it's interpretation. I think this is the weakest area of said rule, even if a driver was recorded during the application process the lack of clarity on what is and what isn't a tyre additive, although this might all be the point..

e.g. Someone walks by a driver's pit area, he's cleaning the lower arms with WD40 and happens to spray a bit on the tyres... is that considered a tyre additive ?

Whilst glueing some people use accelerators to speed up the glue curing process, is that a tyre additive?
In the latter case, the spray is applied evenly to 'a surface' of the tyre, it may not be the contact patch, but sidewalls...

Just like the maximum 25% nitro rule currently in place in Europe, unless there is conclusive method of testing which gives reliable results - not ambiguous readings than you cannot enforce a rule effectively.
What does this have to do with the persons question? He did ask about any rules. And not everyone runs EFRA events.

I sometimes use Axe body spray.
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*He's the owner of Neobuggy and the Neo event-At which the gentleman was talking about-regarding Battle*
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To be honest,

I don't know much about the rules for EFERA as I don't run under their rules. From what I have read, I have to agree with Phil on the point about the rule being "open" to interpretation. That could have issues and probably should be worthy of a revision. Though I'd have to question how a tire additive equlas cheating? Saw a simular thing with the On Road Worlds.

Be nice to know what additive if any was used. Couold open a healthy debate and lead to a correction in the rule. If Battle found a grey area in the rule and used it to his advantage, good for him.
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