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Old 10-15-2010, 07:05 AM   #1
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dont get me wrong i def see the benefit of clay tracks and some are really fun to race but what happened to dirt??

In alot of ways i think dirt(a bit loamy and wet) is better or at least funner.

i mean i always thought there was alot of motocross and supercross guys in this sport ???
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There's pros and cons to both. My local track still runs a loamy dirt that they water for club races. For big races they don't water and it grooves up like clay, not as bad on tires though. I like both to an extent, but prefer clay for larger races. It keeps the truck clean and the track stays more consistent.
The nice loamy dirt creates a dust bowl when it's not watered.
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Old 10-15-2010, 07:20 AM   #3
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The main reason I think is because clay holds up better during a race weekend and COST way less to maintain... Add water and water soaks and the clay becomes tacky, this helps premature tire wear, and a faster track that is in good condition at the end of the day.

Dirt breaks down very easily and when you add water it just turns in to mud.

Tracks to not make much money from racing and most of that money goes back into the track. So clay allows more to get done with less resources.
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i totally see that clay is more consistent and less of a headache especially for long mains and the bugy just performs better on clay but i think it takes away from the fun and challenge a little , of course the dirt track needs to be done right b/c dust is just a pain in many ways
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Some of the best tracks in the country and created by motor/super cross guys.
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I am all for the dirt (former MX rider for 14 years) With dirt the track changes lap after lap making for more creative line choice.
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I am all for the dirt (former MX rider for 14 years) With dirt the track changes lap after lap making for more creative line choice.
that is pretty much what i was trying to say , and it only adds to the challegne but it seems like alot of the top racers around the world dont want that challenge or inconsistency (i am sure it just makes for alot more work). i thought that is what off-road is all about. in a sense clay is a whole other class

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that is pretty much what i was trying to say , and it only adds to the challegne but it seems like alot of the top racers around the world dont want the challenge or inconsistency . i thought that is what off-road is all about. in a sense clay is a whole other class
wow. I guess that means that on-road has no challenge.

If a track surface is very consistent, that creates a new challenge. Everyone will be able to dial in their setups much more precisely. Racing is a lot tighter, and the cost of mistakes is a LOT higher.
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wow. I guess that means that on-road has no challenge.

If a track surface is very consistent, that creates a new challenge. Everyone will be able to dial in their setups much more precisely. Racing is a lot tighter, and the cost of mistakes is a LOT higher.
agreed, was not knocking on-road at all just using it as a reference to consistency . clay is very challenging to i just saying that dirt brings a different type of challenge
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I don't enjoy racing in dirt, your vehicle is way too unstable to go very fast and you spend all your time correcting your rig so it stays straight. I mean its pretty frustrating when you are nailing it on a straight only to have your vehicle flip over or veer off into the side rail for no apparent reason. It also keeps the racers bunched up as you have a hard time passing. Imo off road racing is clay or carpet but with jumps, thats what sets on-road apart from off-road, not the track surface. With dirt too many times it depends more on luck than driving skill, but can be fun if you don't care to win.

Then you add the dirtiness to the mix and the cleanup time needed only to be recovered within 30 seconds of the next race. Also if you cartwheel and get a chunk of dirt stuck in your tuned pipe your engine dies and you are done for that race.

All in all dirt is just not the best surface for rc racing, hard packed clay or even slightly loose clay is imo a far better alternative.
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The cars are made for dirt. Clay is ok, but I have way more fun during races on dirt. DDDIIIIIIRRRRRRTTTTTT>>>>>>
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im not saying get rid of clay at all but mix it up a little , it would be nice to see more big races on dirt tracks .

also isnt supercross dirt usually a mixture or clay based dirt ??? that would probably make a nice track
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This "dirt" you speak of is actually top soil... or the top 6-8 inches of decomposed organics that make up the top layer of any piece of land that has sat undisturbed for any length of time. This material will hold water like a sponge rather than shed it like a waxed car. The problem with using all "dirt" is that it won't compact to seal out water and create a sturdy base. Any track made from topsoil is temporary at best as it will wash out quickly. I've been an excavator for almost 15 years and if you want something to hold up you must build with clay and compact it in. I've been wanting lately to build a track by combining about 70% clay with 30% topsoil which I think would make a solid base and still be a little forgiving on the cars and the tires.
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I would LOVE to see dirt. Just some watered dirt. Coming from BMX and now riding a mountain bike, I'll always want dirt.
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lol some of guys are picky when it comes to dirt shoot my track is rutty and dusty and loose its a clay/soil mix . its offroad not onroad i like a dry dusty and loose track it keeps the competion closer and its more fun sliding and its just more of a challege and not to mention saves $$$ on tires.

truggy tires are expensive hell if i want to go though them to quickly.
i have raced on a offroad track that was clay and grippy and the tires dont last which = not good for new people that come to race.

and with a grippy dirt it widens the competion to much if ask me.
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