R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Nitro Off-Road

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 04-12-2010, 01:24 PM   #331
Tech Adept
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 203
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by tc5 man View Post
boy im glad that i dont go to roar events, just because of a rule like this lol.
but hey at club races its, a free for all on what bodies you can run.

but i do agree that i doesnt help, the public image of our sport with the companies and roar urging.
All this for 1 ONE race a year. Honestly, they themselves are making people not want to attend this one race. They should be doing everything in their power to make NATS as big as it can be. I bet you that there is some local or college TV station that would love to come out and put something like that on local TV. They don't care. ROAR just want everyone to be scared of them. Why else would you make a rule right before the biggest race in the country? ROAR should be encouraging the evolution of this hobby. It is not that big to begin with and now ROAR is singling out one big company in the hobby. A company that 90% of use support. How can we get the current body of ROAR to resign so we can vote in a person who cares about this hobby.
__________________
I'm not sponsored so it does not matter what I put here.
Shuming is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2010, 01:33 PM   #332
Tech Master
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI
Posts: 1,372
Trader Rating: 9 (91%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kgombe View Post
how is the DNX and the Ve8 cab forward.. they are just very low profile bodies...

you forgot 1... the GS storm CLX or the TQ evo... that body is a cab forward... as a matter of fact... very similar to the bulldog
just my opinion on whats out of the norm and probably not acceptable in roars eyes.
interplanet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2010, 05:32 AM   #333
Tech Apprentice
 
Nitro Downunder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Australia
Posts: 83
Default

losi 8ight 2.0, losi 8ight-e 2.0, losi 8ight 2.0 eu, Hot Bodies VE-8, Team Durango DNX408, the new lrp, proline slipstream 8ight-e, bitty design losi 8ight, jc concepts illusion, hot bodies ve8, bitty design fighter 8ight, GS storm CLX, TQ evo.

There is one big difference between these listed bodies and the bulldog/punisher bodies and that is....they all have a sloping rear deck, as where the new Proline Bulldog & JConcepts Punisher bodys have a completely FLAT rear deck and are square from the roof line to rear deck and in my opinion are starting to look more like a truck/truggy in this area of the body. I personally dont have any problems with the cab forward design aslong as it dosnt have a completely flat rear deck.
Nitro Downunder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-13-2010, 08:01 AM   #334
Tech Master
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI
Posts: 1,372
Trader Rating: 9 (91%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitro Downunder View Post
they all have a sloping rear deck,
Unfortunatly ROAR's statments are about cab forward and say nothing about the deck though.
interplanet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2010, 09:01 PM   #335
Tech Champion
 
robk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Macho Business Donkey Wrestler
Posts: 7,546
Trader Rating: 22 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shuming View Post
They don't care. ROAR just want everyone to be scared of them.
Death panels dude. Death panels
__________________
A mutually re-enforcing cascade of failure

"Failior [sic] crowns enterprise." Robert Goddard

I-Lap Scoring Systems http://www.rclapcounter.com/
robk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2010, 09:07 PM   #336
Tech Master
 
rosko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 1,068
Default

the cab forward looks awesome i think, but the flat rear deck
rosko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-15-2010, 09:19 PM   #337
Tech Fanatic
 
snowman6869's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Brownsburg/Avon Indiana
Posts: 837
Trader Rating: 17 (90%+)
Send a message via Yahoo to snowman6869
Default

If there werent rules then who knows what would be going on at regional/national events.I run a punisher and bull dog body at local tracks and such but roar events I dont.It's not really that big of a deal to have a couple extra bodies for roar events.
So who's going to the nationals? I'm thinking of making the 12 hour drive.
__________________
CASTER RACING TEAM DRIVER casterracingusa.com
ALPHA ENGINES
SPECTRUM
SAVOX
LUCKY7 RC FASTLANE GRAPHIX
snowman6869 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-16-2010, 07:47 AM   #338
Tech Adept
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 203
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by snowman6869 View Post
If there werent rules then who knows what would be going on at regional/national events.I run a punisher and bull dog body at local tracks and such but roar events I dont.It's not really that big of a deal to have a couple extra bodies for roar events.
So who's going to the nationals? I'm thinking of making the 12 hour drive.
I think it is that big of a deal. ROAR want you to buy a special body that has a ROAR stamp on it just for ONE race. If it was a series or Regional really had a point to them or all or most or some of the tracks enforced the rule book, that would be different.

Ill be at Nats...
__________________
I'm not sponsored so it does not matter what I put here.
Shuming is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2010, 01:35 AM   #339
Tech Fanatic
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 855
Default

Round 3

Ten days after ROAR's last clarification / body rules update, they have posted another one. Worryingly they have removed the reference to this only applying to buggy bodies (whether this is implied or an intentional drop we don't know, we assume the latter)

April 16, 2010: ROAR is currently developing more defined standards for body dimensions and proportions to address the recent trend of bodies that are determined to be outside of acceptable limits, and also to provide manufacturers guidelines for the development of future bodies.

In the interim, in the interest of fairness for all competitors and manufacturers, ROAR will enforce a moratorium (A period of time in which there is a suspension of a specific activity until future events warrant a removal of the suspension or issues regarding the activity have been resolved.) on all bodies released since the 2009 ROAR Fuel Off-Road Nationals. Bodies that were used in competition during or prior to the aforementioned event will still be eligible for use, but bodies release since that time may not be used for this event. Decisions made regarding the bodies legal for use during the upcoming 2010 Fuel Off-Road Nationals have been made by ROAR in cooperation with vehicle and body manufacturers with direct communication for the last several weeks.

Once the guidelines are established, all bodies will be scrutinized to determine their legality for use in future ROAR-sanctioned events. Specific dimensions will be published after the 2010 Off Road Fuel Nationals on the ROAR website after review and further discussion with vehicle and body manufacturers contributions.

Please contact the ROAR Technical Director at technicaldir@roarracing.com or Fuel Section Chairperson at fuelsection@roarracing.com for further information or clarification as to particular bodies not permitted for use at the 2010 national event.


----------------- End of ROAR Statement -----------------


What do you make of this ? At present there is only one Big "ROAR-sanctioned event" per year in 1/8 Off road; also arguably the most important event for some drivers and companies; the Fuel Nationals. We wonder if drivers, racers, companies etc. will broadly adopt ROAR's new rules (when ready) in all non-ROAR offroad racing or... rather more troublingly ignore it completely, effectively creating a split.

Could we see an 'outlaw body class' and a 'ROAR approved body class' in the not too distant future ? The latter possibly a direct result of companies producing low runs of bodies just to use for the nationals... The key lies in consumers deciding whether they prefer the new 'front cab' design over the conventional one - Supply & Demand. If the top-end racers agree there are performance advantages with the new-style bodies over the old ones, then they will naturally use them; reinforcing the problem.
We hope for the sake of things it doesn't go that far, but it seems we may have stumbled onto that path already
pdmustgt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2010, 07:23 AM   #340
Tech Adept
 
RJSI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Tampa, Florida - from Clay Country
Posts: 218
Trader Rating: 12 (100%+)
Default

With the newest developments they have (intellectually) acknowledge that they have pissed PROLINE in the previous ruling. LOL
RJSI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2010, 09:24 AM   #341
Tech Adept
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 166
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

So since the RC8T punisher body was debuted by Maifield at last year's nats it's legal to run this year?
HiVoltg12 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-18-2010, 02:58 PM   #342
Tech Master
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Sheboygan Falls, WI
Posts: 1,372
Trader Rating: 9 (91%+)
Default



so some little p*** ant thinks he can govern and make outlines for what manufacturers should develope, what excactly does roar think it is doing, it is not the overall word in rc car, and who outside the usa need to litsen to what roar has to say anyway.
interplanet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2010, 01:37 PM   #343
Tech Elite
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Aurora, Colorado
Posts: 3,644
Default

So with the cab forward bodies and all the stuff that was banned here, now that the pros are running all that stuff in Thailand, will ROAR accept it here in the US.... Legitimate question.
__________________
TLR - Spektrum - Horizon - TLR 8ight 4.0 - TLR 8ight-T 4.0 - TLR 22 4.0 - Orion
token is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2010, 02:20 PM   #344
Tech Addict
 
awdcameolsx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 591
Trader Rating: 36 (100%+)
Default

All I know is that with all the cab forward banning I have heard about I have actually never seen it enforced. Thats a good thing IMO and I am sure with the way that all the new bodies are starting to come about this is going to become a dead subject.
awdcameolsx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2010, 02:42 PM   #345
Tech Master
 
hopsing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Temecula, CA
Posts: 1,169
Trader Rating: 13 (93%+)
Default

Here's where ROAR enforcing a body rule can come into play IMO....... this is a quote from RedRC from the current Worlds race in Thailand - "Fourth fastest was 2008 finalist Travis Amezcua. The American team Mugen driver said the biggest change he made from P1 was a switch from Prolines Bulldog to the Shift bodyshell which made the car easier and more consistent to drive"

Whats to stop racers from bringing two or three different body shells to a race now to swap bodies and pick what works best for them? Its bad enough at big races (heck, its bad enough at club races even!)with all the tire choices out there, now you have a few body choices to "tune" with at a $100 a pop including paint or a wrap? Not everyone can afford that and that's NOT good for the hobby.

Without some sort of regulation as to what can be run mfg's can run amuck and make whatever they want...even if it is the best handling thing out there (which in this case it wasnt for Travis) it doesnt mean its the best for the hobby either.......


Everyone is complaining about what ROAR does, but how many of you are current ROAR members, and if you are did you vote this year for the President or Regional Directors? IMO, if you didnt vote, you cant complain........simple as that. Only 300 out of 3600 members voted this year (which is actually UP from last year) Things cant change for the better with out participation. ROAR does alot more for the hobby than a lot of you guys think. But thats for another thread.

I really am not a huge fan of SOME of the new bodies personally but it is what is. Did ROAR maybe over react a little by their banning of the bodies? Maybe. But its not because they just want to "rule" the racers just for the hell of it. I'm pretty sure they werent sitting around a table and said "hey, lets screw with Proline and tell them they cant run this body" just because it would be fun to. If Proline or JC or anyone for that matter wants to "go out of the box" they could of easily said "hey what do you think of these bodies we've been testing? They work good and we think the public might like them but we're not sure if they fit the rules or not".

And just remember, even ROAR affiliated tracks dont have to follow ROAR rules by the book which means you can most likely run your "jet fighter" inspired body if you want to still..... so really, what's the big deal to running the "legal" body a couple times a year (assuming you have Regionals and attend a National)?

This is all just my opinion....I'm hoping for good change from ROAR which is why I renewed my membership just so I could vote
__________________
Steve Butts
AKA, TrakPower, Serpent America/Desoto Racing, TrackStar, Futaba, EKD Paints

Last edited by hopsing; 11-08-2010 at 03:53 PM.
hopsing is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
ROAR 4wd SCT rules posted OWTKAST cpt Electric Off-Road 724 03-04-2010 04:33 AM
Where are the ROAR New Approvals? bvoltz Electric On-Road 201 11-23-2006 09:35 AM
ROAR On Road Rules Discussion TimPotter Chat Lounge 126 03-21-2006 02:19 PM
New Body from Protoform "NEMESIS" Bon Ramat Electric On-Road 45 06-30-2004 03:38 PM



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 06:33 AM.


Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net