Has the industry taken nitro buggies as far as it can take it?
01-12-2010, 03:57 PM
#106
01-12-2010, 04:01 PM
#107
I know there illegal but could you imagine what a system like that would do to a begginer coming into our sport.Not only would it give him or her confidence to race and be competative but also bring more people into our sport who feel intimidated by the high level drivers out there at present .
I think it would be good for our sport dont you think?
I think it would be good for our sport dont you think?
Fuel injection could be a big boom for the basher/RTR market. A motor that ran with no tuning would really help the newbie. Racing manufacturers will not touch it because it's illegal but some company like Traxxas or OS could make it work and start selling them to the basher market. Then you could see a rule change for a crossover.
Many of the other possible electronic aids, no, not good for the newbie. Much more expensive, much more complicated, would need an engineering degree to be competitive, etc. Just look at all the people bitching about programmable speedos on the electric side.
01-12-2010, 04:02 PM
#108
Digital circuitry, data technology and Computers in general, are getting much, much smaller and very powerful. the injectors i don't know much about.
It's only a matter of time before someone does it. Once it becomes affordable.
Hey i would pay a grand for a engine that is tuned perfectly and never needs to be touched
It's only a matter of time before someone does it. Once it becomes affordable.
Hey i would pay a grand for a engine that is tuned perfectly and never needs to be touched
I know there illegal but could you imagine what a system like that would do to a begginer coming into our sport.Not only would it give him or her confidence to race and be competative but also bring more people into our sport who feel intimidated by the high level drivers out there at present .
I think it would be good for our sport dont you think?
I think it would be good for our sport dont you think?
you dont just take a street car and figure its tuned for drag racin do ya ?
just a simple analogy and gas engines are quite different
01-12-2010, 04:05 PM
#109
I hear you Houston, but it works the other way too. Any kid with a laptop can tune his Honda drag car but it takes a seasoned pro to build a good racing carb for the big cars.
01-12-2010, 06:25 PM
#111
yup so true anybody can tune a engine, with a computer lol. thats why i like to tune a engine manuelly, and not on a laptop like tuneing a electric speedo and motor.
thats for lazy people j/k.
thats for lazy people j/k.
01-23-2010, 12:53 AM
#112
01-23-2010, 02:04 AM
#113
Why the need for such over-innovation?
Racing R/C cars is a hobby. The rules currently put in place to keep such technology out of the cars is to preserve that hobby. Instead of demanding things to make every aspect of racing that much easier, go out and do what the top tier of racers have done and step the driving up.
There are countless brands on countless podiums worldwide, if these "original, advanced, better, worse, cheaper, copycat, etc, etc" designs are capable of winning, what else should they do?
The track size (at least in the US) is consistently increasing yet the vehicles take the ridiculous amount of punishment with each new release. I think they deserve alot more credit than they are getting.
I think this mentality is used in all sports/hobbies. Rules are made to keep a certain lvl of competitiveness. Enjoy your very expensive toy cars fellas.
Racing R/C cars is a hobby. The rules currently put in place to keep such technology out of the cars is to preserve that hobby. Instead of demanding things to make every aspect of racing that much easier, go out and do what the top tier of racers have done and step the driving up.
There are countless brands on countless podiums worldwide, if these "original, advanced, better, worse, cheaper, copycat, etc, etc" designs are capable of winning, what else should they do?
The track size (at least in the US) is consistently increasing yet the vehicles take the ridiculous amount of punishment with each new release. I think they deserve alot more credit than they are getting.
I think this mentality is used in all sports/hobbies. Rules are made to keep a certain lvl of competitiveness. Enjoy your very expensive toy cars fellas.
01-23-2010, 02:56 AM
#114
Why the need for such over-innovation?
Racing R/C cars is a hobby. The rules currently put in place to keep such technology out of the cars is to preserve that hobby. Instead of demanding things to make every aspect of racing that much easier, go out and do what the top tier of racers have done and step the driving up.
There are countless brands on countless podiums worldwide, if these "original, advanced, better, worse, cheaper, copycat, etc, etc" designs are capable of winning, what else should they do?
The track size (at least in the US) is consistently increasing yet the vehicles take the ridiculous amount of punishment with each new release. I think they deserve alot more credit than they are getting.
I think this mentality is used in all sports/hobbies. Rules are made to keep a certain lvl of competitiveness. Enjoy your very expensive toy cars fellas.
Racing R/C cars is a hobby. The rules currently put in place to keep such technology out of the cars is to preserve that hobby. Instead of demanding things to make every aspect of racing that much easier, go out and do what the top tier of racers have done and step the driving up.
There are countless brands on countless podiums worldwide, if these "original, advanced, better, worse, cheaper, copycat, etc, etc" designs are capable of winning, what else should they do?
The track size (at least in the US) is consistently increasing yet the vehicles take the ridiculous amount of punishment with each new release. I think they deserve alot more credit than they are getting.
I think this mentality is used in all sports/hobbies. Rules are made to keep a certain lvl of competitiveness. Enjoy your very expensive toy cars fellas.
01-23-2010, 03:32 AM
#115
Tech Master
I have a few questions, just out of curiosity, lets see if it is possible to have a discussion on this forum, instead of a bashing match:
I agree that the Durango looks brilliant, and if its possible for an RC car to be sexy, the durango definitely is. BUT, why is this the future? Because it is put together differently, or because there is more CNC aluminium?What is it about the car that is so great, is it just how it looks? Because there is nothing about it that will make the performance way better than the current cars. Geometry is the same as losi it seems, weight distribution pretty close, steering slightly different, diffs and shocks the same...it just LOOKS different.
So my ultimate question is, which is more important for a RC hobbyist, looks or performance? The Durango seems to have identical geometry to the Losi. Cant be sure until I have one. So it is reasonable to assume that it will be close in performance to the Losi. But lets say for the sake of argument, that the Losi still out-performs it, but the durango looks much cooler, which one do you chose, assuming the price and support is the same? Looks or performance?
I agree that the Durango looks brilliant, and if its possible for an RC car to be sexy, the durango definitely is. BUT, why is this the future? Because it is put together differently, or because there is more CNC aluminium?What is it about the car that is so great, is it just how it looks? Because there is nothing about it that will make the performance way better than the current cars. Geometry is the same as losi it seems, weight distribution pretty close, steering slightly different, diffs and shocks the same...it just LOOKS different.
So my ultimate question is, which is more important for a RC hobbyist, looks or performance? The Durango seems to have identical geometry to the Losi. Cant be sure until I have one. So it is reasonable to assume that it will be close in performance to the Losi. But lets say for the sake of argument, that the Losi still out-performs it, but the durango looks much cooler, which one do you chose, assuming the price and support is the same? Looks or performance?
01-23-2010, 03:42 AM
#116
one day I drove my buggy without braces
handling over bumps was really exceptional
so if someone comes out with a chassis that does flex
but doesn't bend in composite or something ..
handling over bumps was really exceptional
so if someone comes out with a chassis that does flex
but doesn't bend in composite or something ..
01-23-2010, 09:10 AM
#117
I have a few questions, just out of curiosity, lets see if it is possible to have a discussion on this forum, instead of a bashing match:
I agree that the Durango looks brilliant, and if its possible for an RC car to be sexy, the durango definitely is. BUT, why is this the future? Because it is put together differently, or because there is more CNC aluminium?What is it about the car that is so great, is it just how it looks? Because there is nothing about it that will make the performance way better than the current cars. Geometry is the same as losi it seems, weight distribution pretty close, steering slightly different, diffs and shocks the same...it just LOOKS different.
So my ultimate question is, which is more important for a RC hobbyist, looks or performance? The Durango seems to have identical geometry to the Losi. Cant be sure until I have one. So it is reasonable to assume that it will be close in performance to the Losi. But lets say for the sake of argument, that the Losi still out-performs it, but the durango looks much cooler, which one do you chose, assuming the price and support is the same? Looks or performance?
I agree that the Durango looks brilliant, and if its possible for an RC car to be sexy, the durango definitely is. BUT, why is this the future? Because it is put together differently, or because there is more CNC aluminium?What is it about the car that is so great, is it just how it looks? Because there is nothing about it that will make the performance way better than the current cars. Geometry is the same as losi it seems, weight distribution pretty close, steering slightly different, diffs and shocks the same...it just LOOKS different.
So my ultimate question is, which is more important for a RC hobbyist, looks or performance? The Durango seems to have identical geometry to the Losi. Cant be sure until I have one. So it is reasonable to assume that it will be close in performance to the Losi. But lets say for the sake of argument, that the Losi still out-performs it, but the durango looks much cooler, which one do you chose, assuming the price and support is the same? Looks or performance?
I think that the reasons that some have touted this buggy as being "the future" of RC are several.
For one, it has a lot of great features as standard, in-the-box equipment, such as PTFE coated shock bodies, milled-out (lightened) wheel hubs, lightweight engine mount with chassis marks to facilitate gear mesh, lightened drive cups, rubber boots over the CVDs to keep out harmful debris, aluminum gearbox bearing seats to better support the loads on the bearings, aluminum suspension holders with inserts, the fact that the throttle/brake linkage is out of the way of the air filter, quick access for all 3 diffs, and so on.
Essentially, a lot of components that one must buy as options are included in the basic kit, and at a price that puts a lot of the "bigger names" in RC to shame, so it may well be that many of us see this as a positive trend for the future of R/C.
Second, while Durango may not necessarily be the innovators (or maybe they are, I don't know) of many of the neat aspects of the car, I can't think of any buggy (save for the TM M8) that packed so many features on one car. Usually, you would see a few little things on one car, one or two on another, but they really do have a high number of seemingly-minor improvements. Once again, this "nothing is too good for our car" approach may yet be another facet that people take a liking to.
Third, the name "DURANGO" while perhaps not having the pedigree of a company like Kyosho or Losi, has been associated, from its inception, with innovation and high performance. These guys have demonstrated by their deeds that they don't just innovate for the sake of innovation, their cars have, to my memory, always been very competitive on the circuit.
Therefore, when you say "it just LOOKS different" for the time being, you're right, because all we've seen so far are photos. That having been said, if Durango's (short) history is anything to go by, I have a hunch that this buggy will perform as well as it looks.
Also, to be fair, while the Losi is no doubt a very good car performance-wise, it is also incredibly overpriced considering the quality of the materials used, and it shows in how quickly the parts wear-out. I know, because I had one.
As for whether someone will opt for looks or performance, I tend to think that most people will opt for the latter. I think the real question should be: if one has the option of two cars with similar performance, one being $50 cheaper, but requires much more frequent maintenance and parts replacement... Or the other car, similar performance, which is $50 more, loaded with features & hop-ups, more maintenance-friendly AND is sex to the eyes, which would you choose?
I hope that I was able to provide you with some useful comments/ideas, JQ
01-23-2010, 09:45 AM
#118
I have issues with the above comment. You can get a Losi 8ight RTR delivered to your door for $600. This comes with a $250 radio, $150+ engine combo, starter box, and not to mention the actual buggy. In essence you are getting the buggy for $100, so how is this overpriced?!? As far as I can tell, it is one of the best deals in the industry....it is a steal!
01-23-2010, 09:49 AM
#119
Can technology be advance on our RC cars? Sure. They could take all the technology off the Lancer EVO and scale it down to RC size. Computer controlled LSDs, etc. Obviously this would cost a ton of money, but it could be done.
So if you want a $40K RC car, you could definitely make one that is way more advanced than what we have now, but nobody would want it. It also might not take the abuse.
So if you want a $40K RC car, you could definitely make one that is way more advanced than what we have now, but nobody would want it. It also might not take the abuse.
01-23-2010, 09:52 AM
#120
I have issues with the above comment. You can get a Losi 8ight RTR delivered to your door for $600. This comes with a $250 radio, $150+ engine combo, starter box, and not to mention the actual buggy. In essence you are getting the buggy for $100, so how is this overpriced?!? As far as I can tell, it is one of the best deals in the industry....it is a steal!