Should electric 1/8th scales be allowed to race against nitro 1/8th scales?
02-17-2009, 09:50 PM
#31
Dude, how about just running Nitro?? Why does everyone else and the track have to make a concession for you??? You can't expect it. If the Electrics were more popular, track would accomidate them. You obviously have something against Nitro's by the tone of your post.
All racing has rules and classes, NASCAR, DRAG Racing, AMA, you name it. It is to keep it on a more even level with equipment.
ELECTRIC AND NITRO ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT!!!!!!!
Spend more time convincing guys to buy an electric than trying to change everybody else's view just for you.
And as far as us motorheads buying $500 motors, thats another reality of racing $$$$$ does help, but a great driver will always be a winner.
I don't fear the electric technology, I FEAR THE TREE HUGGING LIBERAL EPA ASS WIPES TAKING AWAY MY LOVE FOR NITRO ENGINES. I just like nitro engines, I don't see whats wrong with that.
All racing has rules and classes, NASCAR, DRAG Racing, AMA, you name it. It is to keep it on a more even level with equipment.
ELECTRIC AND NITRO ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT!!!!!!!
Spend more time convincing guys to buy an electric than trying to change everybody else's view just for you.
And as far as us motorheads buying $500 motors, thats another reality of racing $$$$$ does help, but a great driver will always be a winner.
I don't fear the electric technology, I FEAR THE TREE HUGGING LIBERAL EPA ASS WIPES TAKING AWAY MY LOVE FOR NITRO ENGINES. I just like nitro engines, I don't see whats wrong with that.
When we race with nitros, we do a fake pit stop, set the cars up to be competitive, but not overpowered. The only thing different about the car is that it isn't waking the dead when it is flying down the straight. I have raced a 30 minute main and did a pit stop at the 15 minute market to do a battery swap. It took about 30 seconds which was the equilvalent to ALL THE NITRO PIT STOPS.
No one is trying to convince anyone of anything. I am not the one crying about someone having an unfair advantage. Again, I don't follow the logic. You don't want nitros and electric racing together because electric may have an advantage. Yet it is ok for one nitro to have an advantage over another nitro. At least be consistent with your argument.
When there are enough electrics to warrant it's own class, then so be it. I have no problem running only with electrics. However, the class is in its infancy and I know for fact that electric 1/8 has brought people into the hobby which helps us ALL out.
The class is growing exponentially if you haven't noticed by all the new products that have been recently released. Every major mfg has a brushless 1/8 coming out. In a year or two there will probably be enough to seperate the classes. Until then, everyone should be accomodating to help the overall hobby grow and save the crying for another day.
02-17-2009, 09:56 PM
#32
i don't see the big deal at a club race....but they should be seperate at any type of big event for example money or trophy race.
02-17-2009, 09:58 PM
#33
From my view,
Don't lipo's last 20 minutes?
Pit stops ? (true story)They were mandatory and when they didn't do the "fake" pit they still got to bump to the "A".
Weight? Are speed controler's really as heavy as fuel ?
Batteries ? I've got one in my car controlling my stuff too like both servo's i need to run.
Mod'd motors ? I'm just as slow with my cheapy motor as when i had my V-specs, as long as it last the whole main i'm good.
Turn Marshalling ? Yeah i do have you beat there because i can redline my motor to get your attention and i'm guilty of failing to flip over an electric once.
Verdict = for club racing with not enough to form a class i would rather the few cars race with nitro and make for a fuller track than to turn M a field of say 3 quiet, boring, cars.
Don't lipo's last 20 minutes?
Pit stops ? (true story)They were mandatory and when they didn't do the "fake" pit they still got to bump to the "A".
Weight? Are speed controler's really as heavy as fuel ?
Batteries ? I've got one in my car controlling my stuff too like both servo's i need to run.
Mod'd motors ? I'm just as slow with my cheapy motor as when i had my V-specs, as long as it last the whole main i'm good.
Turn Marshalling ? Yeah i do have you beat there because i can redline my motor to get your attention and i'm guilty of failing to flip over an electric once.
Verdict = for club racing with not enough to form a class i would rather the few cars race with nitro and make for a fuller track than to turn M a field of say 3 quiet, boring, cars.
02-17-2009, 10:08 PM
#34
At our track they let us run nitro and electric...run what you brung basically
No one complains they think its pretty cool and the nitro mugen 6 almost had the rc8 e, in about a half a lap the nitro would have got it. Comes down to the driver AND MOST OF ALL THIS HOBBY IS FUN!!!!SOME PEOPLE TAKE IT WAY OVER THE EDGE
No one complains they think its pretty cool and the nitro mugen 6 almost had the rc8 e, in about a half a lap the nitro would have got it. Comes down to the driver AND MOST OF ALL THIS HOBBY IS FUN!!!!SOME PEOPLE TAKE IT WAY OVER THE EDGE
02-17-2009, 10:18 PM
#35
I find the whine of 1/8 electric to be annoying. We run both classes together. The electrics do have a big advantage on tight small tracks.
02-17-2009, 10:20 PM
#36
But again, why the fuss over electric and its "advantages" but it's ok for a deep pocket nitro racer to spend a ton of money on a modded out nitro engine that needs one less pit stop, puts out more hp, and holds a tune better and race it against broke racers running RTR mills? How is it any different? Why is that not cheating?
Flame Out = Battery plug knocking itself loose after casing a jump. Yes, I had it happen to me in a race. Or better yet, ESC thermaling because I over geared for the track. Battery dumps with 30 seconds left in a 20 minute main because I got a little trigger happy. Electric is hardly plug and go.
The way some of you guys talk about flame outs, weather, holding a tune, etc you make it sound like 90% of nitro's can't make it around a track without breaking down. Hardly any of the nitro guys I see at my local track seem to have any of these problems on a regular basis.
Electric does have its advantages, but completely over blown IMHO. I think the bigger issue is that there is an undercurrent of fear that new game changing technology is on the horizon that doesn't include nitro engines. Don't get me wrong, I love to see the nitros screaming down the straight. Just has a certain soul about the noise that I find appealing at the track (sometimes).
Flame Out = Battery plug knocking itself loose after casing a jump. Yes, I had it happen to me in a race. Or better yet, ESC thermaling because I over geared for the track. Battery dumps with 30 seconds left in a 20 minute main because I got a little trigger happy. Electric is hardly plug and go.
The way some of you guys talk about flame outs, weather, holding a tune, etc you make it sound like 90% of nitro's can't make it around a track without breaking down. Hardly any of the nitro guys I see at my local track seem to have any of these problems on a regular basis.
Electric does have its advantages, but completely over blown IMHO. I think the bigger issue is that there is an undercurrent of fear that new game changing technology is on the horizon that doesn't include nitro engines. Don't get me wrong, I love to see the nitros screaming down the straight. Just has a certain soul about the noise that I find appealing at the track (sometimes).
..Why do you feel that you need to race with nitros when in every other form of RC racing they separate the classes..race with other electric buggies and truggies..
02-17-2009, 10:22 PM
#37
At our track they let us run nitro and electric...run what you brung basically No one complains they think its pretty cool and the nitro mugen 6 almost had the rc8 e, in about a half a lap the nitro would have got it. Comes down to the driver AND MOST OF ALL THIS HOBBY IS FUN!!!!SOME PEOPLE TAKE IT WAY OVER THE EDGE
No one complains they think its pretty cool and the nitro mugen 6 almost had the rc8 e, in about a half a lap the nitro would have got it. Comes down to the driver AND MOST OF ALL THIS HOBBY IS FUN!!!!SOME PEOPLE TAKE IT WAY OVER THE EDGE
02-17-2009, 10:55 PM
#39
Race together? Yes.
Same points score? No.
Same points score? No.
02-17-2009, 11:26 PM
#40
If 3 or more electric buggies or truggies show up they should race in their OWN class..how hard is this to understand..I will say this..I can wheel an RC car..i'm in the process of building an electric truggy (Losi 1.0) I'm going to be using a tecno kit and since the track I race at is only running 15 minute mains..I'll kill the nitro truggies on this track with an electric truggy....I'll still race my nitro truggy because to me it's like cheating using electric against nitros..but I guess not according to most of the electric racers..
..I'll still race my nitro truggy because to me it's like cheating using electric against nitros..but I guess not according to most of the electric racers..
02-17-2009, 11:31 PM
#41
i dont think he sarted this thread the right way.i am one of those that is converting to brushless.but what he left out is there is only like 3 or so people that have brushless,there just isnt enough of us to start a class.and also they dont wont us to run on electric days cause 8th scalers tear up the track to much.so see we are kinda damn if we do and damn if we dont. i want to qote somehere and the locals will know who i am qotting "8th scales are 8th scales".we have to start out somewhere.until there is enough of us to start or own class just let us race too.i realy think we need to sit down with everyone at our track and get this worked out and just stop cryin about.
it sounds like alot of people dont want more people to start or enjoy this great hobby.i mean come the slayers have to run with monster trucks and i dont think thats right but hey there just isnt enough for their own class right now.sorry i had to vent i been watching and ready all this for too long not to say something.
it sounds like alot of people dont want more people to start or enjoy this great hobby.i mean come the slayers have to run with monster trucks and i dont think thats right but hey there just isnt enough for their own class right now.sorry i had to vent i been watching and ready all this for too long not to say something.
02-17-2009, 11:50 PM
#42
just thought i would throw my .02 cents in....
nitro and electric and different i agree... they shoudnt be ran together... electric 1/8th scale is gettin so big out here they are talkin of making there own class because its so big
on a short technical track electrics will win over nitro everyday. idc who u are because i seen a pro get beat buy an intermediate electric 1/8th scale guy on a short technical track.....
BUT
if the track is open where the nitro can get speed then its an even fight. i run at both types of tracks. and i hate runnin with them at the short track but i could care less at the other track, it comes down to skill then....
if u disagree u disagree idc, thought i would add my .02
nitro and electric and different i agree... they shoudnt be ran together... electric 1/8th scale is gettin so big out here they are talkin of making there own class because its so big
on a short technical track electrics will win over nitro everyday. idc who u are because i seen a pro get beat buy an intermediate electric 1/8th scale guy on a short technical track.....
BUT
if the track is open where the nitro can get speed then its an even fight. i run at both types of tracks. and i hate runnin with them at the short track but i could care less at the other track, it comes down to skill then....
if u disagree u disagree idc, thought i would add my .02
02-17-2009, 11:54 PM
#43
Tech Adept
Which intermediate beat which pro?
02-17-2009, 11:56 PM
#44
If 3 or more electric buggies or truggies show up they should race in their OWN class..how hard is this to understand..I will say this..I can wheel an RC car..i'm in the process of building an electric truggy (Losi 1.0) I'm going to be using a tecno kit and since the track I race at is only running 15 minute mains..I'll kill the nitro truggies on this track with an electric truggy....I'll still race my nitro truggy because to me it's like cheating using electric against nitros..but I guess not according to most of the electric racers..
..I'll still race my nitro truggy because to me it's like cheating using electric against nitros..but I guess not according to most of the electric racers..come on now thuoght we wanted more people to race and to get into this hobby not just to turn them away cause they have electric.
02-17-2009, 11:57 PM
#45
a guy named brad. idk him other then he races at my track... he beat tanner with a.e. i forgot his last name but the guys like 14
I MIGHT WANNA ADD THIS THO SO I DONT STEP ON ANY TOES
him and brad were fighting back and forth thru out the race and tanner did break but brad was ahead so yea... thought i would point that out
I MIGHT WANNA ADD THIS THO SO I DONT STEP ON ANY TOES
him and brad were fighting back and forth thru out the race and tanner did break but brad was ahead so yea... thought i would point that out